EO line to fibre

Hi all,

Can anyone check if there is any plan to enable fibre on my exchange only line. The postcode is HA9 6DB

Many thanks

Nothing obvious

In reply to a post by jamborta:

Hi all,

Can anyone check if there is any plan to enable fibre on my exchange only line. The postcode is HA9 6DB

Many thanks

That postcode is not on an EO Line, its connected to cabinet 65, and the DSL Checker says the following for all 48 flats for that postcode:
"Address FLAT #, ELIZABETH HOUSE, 341 HIGH ROAD, WEMBLEY, HA9 6DB on Exchange WEMBLEY is served by Cabinet 65"

Exchange Name: Wembley
Exchange Code: LWWEM

Cabinet: 65
Fibre Phase: Not Available
Fibre Information: Not Available
Result Count: 48

[HA9 6DB]
� Has 48 result(s) connected to Cabinet 65 with ADSLx with approximate speeds around the following:
� ADSLx (Worst): Up to 7.0 (downstream rate) -- (upsrteam rate) 4.5 to 11.0 (downstream range)
� ADSLx (Best): Up to 17.0 (downstream rate) -- (upsrteam rate) 10.0 to 19.5 (downstream range)

Please note that these speeds are using BT's DSL Checker and uses the lowest and highest values for that postcode and cabinet.
� Had at least 1 issue retrieving information from the BT DSL Checker.

As for fibre I cannot see anything scheduled.

Sorry.

Paul

many thanks for the reply.

That's great news, last time I checked it was a EO line (ie there was no cabinet number in the broadband checker)

It would be very interesting to know who is paying for this network rearrangement given there is no BDUK funding in London and BT consider such upgrades to be commercially unviable without considerable third party gap funding. This from someone in a development with 75+ EO lines in SW9 who has had extensive dealings with BT on such questions.

Yeah, all I could see on the other cabinets that did have fibre was all part of the commercial rollout, no BDUK at all.

According to the you know site where most get the info from still say its an EO Line, whereas the DSL Checker says its on cabinet 65 so it must be a recent thing.

As for who funded it, could of been the council or maybe BT has plans to get rig of EO Lines and put in a PCP and if that cabinet is then viable in the second or third phase then only a FTTC cabinet is needed.

Also the 48 EO Lines I stated that was just for 1 postcode, I could of checked the addresses for the entire exchange which would of told me what goes where and who has what, but that would consist of checking 1,203 postcodes, resulting in approx. 18K addresses which would take ages, and I am not prepared to go and do that .

Paul

In reply to a post by jamborta:

many thanks for the reply.

That's great news, last time I checked it was a EO line (ie there was no cabinet number in the broadband checker)

Please note this is going by your address, things might be different if you do a check on your phone number.
http://www.dslchecker.bt.com/

Hopefully it should say the same, only difference should be the speeds, due to dsl checks by phone number is more correct over address and postcode checks.

Paul

BT are quoting over £18K inc VAT as the gap funding required to install an all-in-one at the entrance of our development to serve our 75+ lines. I can hardly see Harrow paying out a similar sum for the OPs block of flats, Lambeth laughed at the idea when it was suggested to them. One possible scenario is that the freeholder coughed up the readies due to lack of fast broadband availability adversely affecting rental income/resale values.

Edit. "leaseholder" corrected to "freeholder"

Edited by deleted (Sun 17-May-15 15:28:59)

In reply to a post by MCM:

BT are quoting over £18K inc VAT as the gap funding required to install an all-in-one at the entrance of our development to serve our 75+ lines. I can hardly see Harrow paying out a similar sum for the OPs block of flats, Lambeth laughed at the idea when it was suggested to them. One possible scenario is that the leaseholder coughed up the readies due to lack of fast broadband availability adversely affecting rental income/resale values..

As far as I can see there is no fibre for cabinet 65 that the OP is now connected to, neither can I see any schedule for fibre either, all that's happened is the EO Lines for that postcode and probably other EO Lines have just been moved over to a PCP Cabinet so I don't think the gap fund refers to that or used on that, but only for superfast broadband upgrades.

Paul

Strangely, for the phone number it says "There is no data available for this number", it think they have installed this cabinet very recently, probably haven't updated their system yet.

BT don't move EO lines to a cab just for the fun of it as it makes little commercial sense. Network rearrangement costs money and BT don't do this without additional third party funding such as that from BDUK. There's clearly a purpose for installing a PCP and nowadays that's usually for the provision of FTTC (or in some cases FTP). I wonder at what point PCP 65 will appear on "that site", what it has to say about FTTC and possibly make of cabinet. I need to check whether all-in-ones are explicitly identified or whether they stick to just Huawei or ECI as they do for FTTC only cabs.

I think it is unlikely that the freeholder paid for this, might be that the EO line solution was temporary (this is a new development), and this upgrade was planned as a next stage?

In reply to a post by jamborta:

I think it is unlikely that the freeholder paid for this, might be that the EO line solution was temporary (this is a new development), and this upgrade was planned as a next stage?

If a new development it is possible that the builder/developer paid BT to install FTTC and that, as you say, the phone connection was temporarily arranged as EO.

In reply to a post by jamborta:

Strangely, for the phone number it says "There is no data available for this number", it think they have installed this cabinet very recently, probably haven't updated their system yet.

Is you phone line with BT? if its not then it may not show up.
My younger brother has had hit BT phone number moved over to his VoIP line and that says the following:

There is no data available for this number. This could be either because it is not a BT line or it is a new BT number that has just been provided. Most new numbers will appear on the checker 24 hours after BT has installed the line.

I am assuming this is the case with your phone number, unless its a complete new line + number.

Paul

In reply to a post by MCM:

BT don't move EO lines to a cab just for the fun of it as it makes little commercial sense. Network rearrangement costs money and BT don't do this without additional third party funding such as that from BDUK. There's clearly a purpose for installing a PCP and nowadays that's usually for the provision of FTTC (or in some cases FTP). I wonder at what point PCP 65 will appear on "that site", what it has to say about FTTC and possibly make of cabinet. I need to check whether all-in-ones are explicitly identified or whether they stick to just Huawei or ECI as they do for FTTC only cabs.

Cabinet 65 is already on that site, however I cannot see any info about fibre, neither does it say its part of the commercial rollout.

But saying that ours doesn't currently say anything about being on the commercial rollout on that site but we are and have been since 2011 and was recently confirmed by BT and Openreach as being part of the Commercial FTTP Project which is about to come back to shortly.
Granted I don't think the EO Lines on their postcode will be put on FTTP due to being moved over to a PCP cabinet, but who knows what goes through these people

Fibre Cabinet: Cabinet P65
Availability Phase: Fibre Not Available
Fibre Not Available:
Properties Passed:
Vendor Approx:
Post Code: HA9 6AQ

Well maybe they have plans for the EO Lines in that area to get put on a PCP Cabinet to later on get given fibre.
Then only then once all the EO Lines are on said cabinet they may become viable, don't forget the commercial rollout hasn't ended due to they are still rolling out them especially FTTP installs that got put on hold while the BDUK contractual work was done.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for not wasting public money on something that isn't viable, but the viability could possibly change once they have enough EO Lines say 120 to 500 addresses, one of our cabinets with only 108 addresses was upgraded to FTTC where as cabinets that had 194 not be viable.

Also a thing to think about, if there was a load of faults down a certain route of copper cables that would be difficult or costly to get to or replace, it might be a cheaper better option to route those EO Lines a different route through a cabinet.

Well as for the type of cabinet I have no clue due to I live in East London miles away (approx. 20 miles) from this postcode, so there is no chance in me going out to look for it

Paul

Well maybe they have plans for the EO Lines in that area to get put on a PCP Cabinet to later on get given fibre.

AFAIK BT is not carrying out network rearrangements without third party gap funding and currently there is no BDUK funding available for London. The number of lines involved with PCP 65 is unlikely to make the work commercially viable.

I have had dealings with BT over the last 2½ years on precisely this subject (as well as with Hyperoptic for an FTTH solution) and in the case of my development know some of the costs involved. I signed a contract with BT in March this year for the necessary network rearrangement to be carried out and an all-in-one cabinet installed. It wasn't cheap. For PCP 65 to be showing up on the BT checker suggests that the decision to upgrade was made some time ago, probably last year (ours has yet to appear).

Can you share your cost experience ? May help others understand if they could raise similar funding.

In reply to a post by MCM:

Well maybe they have plans for the EO Lines in that area to get put on a PCP Cabinet to later on get given fibre.

AFAIK BT is not carrying out network rearrangements without third party gap funding and currently there is no BDUK funding available for London. The number of lines involved with PCP 65 is unlikely to make the work commercially viable.

I have had dealings with BT over the last 2½ years on precisely this subject (as well as with Hyperoptic for an FTTH solution) and in the case of my development know some of the costs involved. I signed a contract with BT in March this year for the necessary network rearrangement to be carried out and an all-in-one cabinet installed. It wasn't cheap. For PCP 65 to be showing up on the BT checker suggests that the decision to upgrade was made some time ago, probably last year (ours has yet to appear).

True, my guesses it might of happened even earlier than that, we have been waiting for BTOR to finish off our FTTP install that was started back in 2011 to now after getting our local MP involved now seems to be getting somewhere and have been told its due to be done soon.

I have also seen a lot of other people living in greater London that was down for FTTP to be put on hold for a couple of years to then finally get their fibre.

I also tried to get Hyperoptic for fibre, sadly they told me the following:

We would be looking at a minimum of 80 flats so as to make our installation feasible.

So not being able to get fibre with them and also not being able to getting BDUK funding (living in Greater London) all we could rely on is the commercial rollout, which at the moment and since end of 2011 has been on the back burner due to all the BDUK contract upgrades.

I do understand what your saying, its been 3.5 years wait for us, granted we haven't paid anything where as you lot have, so I can see why your annoyed I would be too, but like I have said it might of been agreed on a few years back due to there was loads of installs happening for 2011 and 2012, granted some for 2014 and this year.
As for getting fibre, I have no clue and probably wont know until it does of doesn't get fibre.

As for your install, I hope it gets completed soon

We expect loads of picture of the cabinet and hardware

Paul

I have posted details in the past although I can't remember the various subjects I used for the threads. I must have offended someone at TBB as my original summary post no longer appears to be available.

I'd rather not post the various details and quotes again at the risk of boring others and I've been asked not to disclose publicly details of the final agreed cost. Feel free to PM me if you require more info.