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Openreach's chief executive Joe Garner speaks to BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-33957405
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Part of the problem is putting ex-West Indian fast bowlers in charge of a telecoms roll-out ... 
More seriously I also listened to Dido Harding's interview on Saturday(starts at 29:26), anybody who has had problems with copper lines(to know copper is to hate copper) will sympathise with her comments on FTTP.
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I am just waiting for TalkTalk UFO to cover some residential properties and will add it to the coverage checkers.
The TalkTalk ambition of 10 million FTTP homes is interesting, but will get excited once I see it being trenched in in significant numbers.
For rural people though the TalkTalk stuff is just a distracting sideshow, they are not going to be doing real rural at all. Gigaclear is a different matter but even then they prefer certain types of villages rather than very dispersed collections of properties
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Re Dido Harding's comments about FTTP - great pity she wasn't pulled up on the fact that (like most others including Sky) Talk Talk won't provide to those rare areas where the evil Openreach has made FTTP available. I've heard the bizarre argument this is because of the Openreach branded hardware - is that not a bit like one of the train operators trying to deny the existence of Network Rail? Perhaps a further argument for removing Openreach from BT.
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TalkTalk and Sky were late to the party on FTTC then, just as they don't provide FTTP now. It's all about cheap access to Openreach copper and sweating their existing assets.
It is perverse that Openreach have rolled out a full fibre network to the home in many areas yet have to run and maintain a parallel copper network for TalkTalk and Sky.
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Was I dreaming or did I hear someone say that the Ukraine has more FTTP connections than the UK?
Michael Chare
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From the wholesale point of view are not GEA FTTC and (native) GEA FTTP exactly the same price? There's no technical reason they can't use it - and they should to have any credibility in their argument.
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Believe it does helped by large amounts of ethernet apartment roll outs
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I am just waiting for TalkTalk UFO to cover some residential properties and will add it to the coverage checkers.
I drove past that estate at the weekend. Must go back with a camera...
It'll be interesting to see how they've gone about it.
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Ah, lots of apartment blocks would make FTTP cheaper to install.
I found that there is a Fibre to the Home Council Europe who have published a report showing that Britain and Germany have relatively few FTTP connections.
Michael Chare
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Openreach provides service providers at equivalence of inputs (same costs to all) -- FYI there are circa 530 + service providers which circa 90 - 100 offer FTTC which mean circa 450 only use copper
copper is cheaper where you have you own kit in exchange ie XX Copper will be cheaper to deploy than XX Fibre as you have llu kit in Exchange but would need to buy an Ethernet GEA product to facilitate XX Fibre
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From the wholesale point of view are not GEA FTTC and (native) GEA FTTP exactly the same price? There's no technical reason they can't use it - and they should to have any credibility in their argument.
They would need to pay for another CableLink to the FTTP customer base, and then there are support costs, etc. As there are so few with FTTP available it's not really worth their while.
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And I see foot print is bigger now will be adding to checker soon
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Aren't FTTC and FTTP the same thing at the exchange end - both are presented through the same GEA infrastructure? Why would the ISP need anything else on their side if they are already providing FTTC?
There aren't going to be more FTTP customers until they commit to using what infrastructure is already available. It would be worth their while as it would show commitment and avoid them being complete hypocrites. Presumably BT retail aren't providing Infinity 1 -4 on FTTP at a loss?
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http://www.coolwebhome.co.uk/fibre-cornwall/ shows fibre handover for area with mixture of C and P for Falmouth see pages 6 and 7
GEA-FTTP 40 Mbps and 80 Mbps are sold with same monthly fees as FTTC at the wholesale level. £99+VAT install as its an engineer install.
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those guys make more margin on copper (Esp LLU copper) rather than Fibre that involves bying cable link and Ethernet GEA
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My point is if they've already bought the Cablelink GEA why make a distiction between FTTC and FTTP. Yes, their support cost might be higher for FTTP (have a small team who handle FTTP issues - even Plusnet manage this) and a longer more difficult provisioning process to manage but unless they do this they have no credibility in any criticism of Openreach and it's investment in future infrastructure.
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I think the provisioning process is the biggest issue. Even now openreach dosnt have fluid end to end FTTP installation processs, and its probably the extra cost of chasing up orders that puts many ISPs off providing it
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