Fibre work at cabinet?

For awhile now my cabinet has been full so not been able to order fibre. Noticed that BT were doing some work next to it today so had a look on roadworks.org to see what is it

Can anyone shed any light on what this might mean and if it could mean increasing capacity at my cab?

Install 12m of 2 poly ducts in Carriageway, Provide 2 core drill(s) into jointbox or building...

Cheers

Edited by bobble_bob (Mon 08-Feb-16 19:07:25)

Could mean installation ofna second cabinet, could be nothing at all to do with fibre.

Is your cabinet at the full capacity which it can handle? Or is there space for more line cards to be fitted?

Best thing to do is to ask an engineer if they're there again.

Edited by deleted (Mon 08-Feb-16 19:57:30)

Not too sure but the BT checker just said "waiting list" where as the openreach one says high demand

If there still there tomorrow will pop down and ask them

You're best off asking your ISP to contact BT Wholesale for an update. If there's space for a new line card and one has been ordered, there should be an expected completion date

In reply to a post by bobble_bob:

For awhile now my cabinet has been full so not been able to order fibre. Noticed that BT were doing some work next to it today so had a look on roadworks.org to see what is it

Can anyone shed any light on what this might mean and if it could mean increasing capacity at my cab?

Install 12m of 2 poly ducts in Carriageway, Provide 2 core drill(s) into jointbox or building...

Cheers

Sounds like they are linking chambers across the roads, what's the postcode for that job?

Paul

Not sure on the postcode for the job as on my phone now at work and the roadworks website is poor on mobile. But my postcode is WF41LY and the job is just around the corner on Harrison Road if that helps next to cab 4

Edited by bobble_bob (Tue 09-Feb-16 06:07:06)

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Not sure on the postcode for the job as on my phone now at work and the roadworks website is poor on mobile. But my postcode is WF41LY and the job is just around the corner on Harrison Road if that helps next to cab 4

Yep, they are linking the two dual chamber either side of the road shown in this image: http://goo.gl/6chbkP

Paul

Cheers. Yea forgot to add work been conpleted a nice freah piece of tarmac now there between the adsl and fibre cab. The pic you posted doesnt show the fibre cab opposite the other one. Must not have updated since the fibre cab was installed a few years back

Btw what does linking 2 dual chambers mean and what is the purpose of doing it? Cheers.

Edit: Fibre has now gone to available from waiting list overnight. So was it adding capacity?

Edited by bobble_bob (Tue 09-Feb-16 06:48:58)

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Cheers. Yea forgot to add work been conpleted a nice freah piece of tarmac now there between the adsl and fibre cab. The pic you posted doesnt show the fibre cab opposite the other one. Must not have updated since the fibre cab was installed a few years back

Btw what does linking 2 dual chambers mean and what is the purpose of doing it? Cheerd

Well the chamber is the actual BT hole in the ground, and if Poly is meaning fibre cables then they are linking fibre over to the other side of the road.

Not fully sure on the different types of connections, I don't think its for FTTP due to your exchange only does FTTC, so not really sure, maybe to add more fibre to the cabinet possibly, other than that I have no clue.

Paul

Ok well thanks for the help. My cab flipflops from 'waiting list' to 'available' on a weekly basis so who knows what they did

Poly is the duct tubing.
Edit: seems like its nothing directly to do with NGA/ fibre

Edited by deleted (Tue 09-Feb-16 08:46:29)

Do the old style cabs and fibre cabs share the same number?

Says in connected to cab 4 on adsl but cab 8 is available for fibre

Edited by bobble_bob (Tue 09-Feb-16 08:18:59)

FTTC cabinets are not numbered, though they have their own code identifier, they are often referred to by the PCP they are associated with

I'd guess they needed to add more cables between the PCP and VDSL2 cabinets and there wasn't room in the existing ducts. Whilst there are several types and sizes of VDSL2 (FTTC) cabinet, most support up to 288 lines; each line requires two pairs of cables between the two cabinets, and as they tend to come in 100 pair bundles, that's 6x 100 pair cables required in all.

There has been discussion on these forums before, that often Openreach will only put say 200 or 400 pairs cables in to start with, and need to add more later. Main reason for this is that many cabinets will never reach capacity and putting 600 pairs of cables in to begin with is a potential waste of resource. Cabinets can therefore become "full" either:

- because the fitted line cards are full. A 288 line cabinet normally takes 6x 48 port line cards I believe, and starts with only one. Openreach seem to fail on the "just in time" fitting of the next card, so cabinets often go to "waiting list" whilst waiting tor a new card. With prompting, Openreach have been fitting additional cards in around a week, but I don't know what the non-prompted lead time is.

- because the installed tie cables between the PCP and VDSL2 cabinet are full, and more need to be added; this may or may not require new ducting. This could have been the case with your cabinet.

- because the PCP connector blocks are full, or worse, no room for additional connector blocks. Each of those 600 pairs of cables needs to be presented on a connector block in the PCP. Sometimes the PCP needs to be re-shelled to increase capacity.

- because the VDSL2 cabinet really is full (and an additional cabinet is required). Likely to take longest of all.

- And probably other reasons!

Cheers for that. Least they're appearing to sort capacity issues out...eventually

No, the cabinet is already full.
The work you have seen is not for NGA/ FTTC

Ah sorry missed your edit in the other post

Who knows then. Does seem odd how it goes from waiting list to availabile and back to waiting list almost weekly. Current at available but i bet that changes agsin next week

Edited by bobble_bob (Tue 09-Feb-16 16:45:30)

Look for new build/development nearby..As for availability ,that can happen if a connection is ceased , then someone else places another order.

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Does seem odd how it goes from waiting list to availabile and back to waiting list almost weekly. Current at available but i bet that changes agsin next week

That means it's a short waiting list. Possibly only one or two people on it.

For awhile now my cabinet has been full so not been able to order fibre.

Does seem odd how it goes from waiting list to availabile and back to waiting list almost weekly.

What happens when you try to place an order when it shows as "available"?

Never tried actually

Ive had it available on the BT checker but when i run the checker on Pulse8 says not available. Again its hit and miss even on whatever checker they use

Edited by bobble_bob (Tue 09-Feb-16 17:59:38)

Do any of the ISPs actually implement the waiting list feature yet? Most still seem to just say 'no you can't get fibre' when the cabinet is at the "Waiting List" status, rather than yes, we'll add you to the waiting list.

Very true. But some do.

Given that Openreach will obviously allocate any slot that becomes available to the top of the waiting list rather than a random enquiry, if TalkTalk Business (providers to Pulse8 that the OP implies he is on) don't use the waiting list he has zero chance.

Yea dont think they do, maybe if i rang up they would be certainly on the website its either you can have it or you cant

We are dealing with a number of systems built up over years, the latest being the Openreach waiting list. It is highly likely that most systems outside Openreach are updated at set intervals, almost certainly not in real-time.

It is quite possible the Openreach in-house waiting list is either being notified in real-time or checks very frequently. It is (theoretically) easy in the Openreach system to ensure it gets first stab at any particular cabinet that opens up a slot.

A the time the Pulse8 checker, which is probably the TBB checker, which checks whatever it is that feeds all the public checkers such as the BT Wholesale and BT Consumer ones, which could well be reading at intervals a file of new available/non-available cabinets, the in-house Openreach waiting list will have been notified in near real-time. That one will automatically get the slot and the others will update saying available using a feed that is already out-of-date.