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Silver Lock Fitted Today, and Cabinet Humming now  How long before I can order and which isp will be the first to allow me to order?
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Silver Lock Fitted Today, and Cabinet Humming now What tune?
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Should be ready within a couple of days. Keep checking the checker!
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Silver Lock Fitted Today, and Cabinet Humming now How long before I can order and which isp will be the first to allow me to order?
Those relying on BT to deliver the service should all do so at the same time. TalkTalk/Sky/Vodafone may follow soon after.
Matt
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the cab is that happy about the new lock it is literally buzzing
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Silver Lock Fitted Today, and Cabinet Humming now How long before I can order and which isp will be the first to allow me to order?
Probably BT - only because they seem to have their processes fully lined up.
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Probably going to be a week or 2 yet at least. There may be some issues to resolve
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Probably BT - only because they seem to have their processes fully lined up. Not necessarily- some ISPs, usually the smaller ones, can be a bit more nimble than BT etc.
When my cabinet went live, I had FTTC up and running for over 3 weeks before it appeared as a BT product� although that was quite a few years ago, things may have changed.
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Seems everyones hopes have been dashed. BT are accepting orders from this cabinet, however every single property in the village checked cannot order it being 1.5 miles away. So now what do we do?
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Does www.dslchecker.bt.com say it's available?
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Have we not gone through the cycle of explaining the vdsl2 range drop off and that at 1.5 miles superfast speeds are not to be expected before...
Is this a cabinet with all its premises 1.5 miles away from the cabinet?
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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This is a cabinet with 150 premises 0.5 miles away from it and my village with 100 premises 1.5 miles away. The exchange engineer who commisioned the cabinet said i should get a uplift in speed even 1.5 miles away. All lines upto 1 mile from it can order it according to the checker, but anyone further than 1 mile cant.
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And the BTWholesale checker BatBoy gave you says what, for your phone number?
It would be normal for BT not to offer you Infinity at that distance. That doesn't mean you can't get FTTC from lots of ISPs, including BT.
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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We had the lock fitted and by the next Wednesday it was accepting orders.
So we ordered, but there is a 2 week lead time for Openreach to do the actual connection work so we are sitting, very impatiently, waiting at the moment.
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As RobertoS asked, what does the checker actually say?
You should at 1.5 miles be able to get some level of FTTC service.
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BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Telephone Number on Exchange TWYCROSS is served by Cabinet 2
Featured Products
Downstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Upstream Line Rate(Mbps)
Downstream Range(Mbps)
Availability Date
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 2 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
WBC ADSL 2+ Annex M Up to 2 Up to 0.5 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1.5 -- 1 to 2.5 Available
Fixed Rate 0.5 -- -- Available
Other Offerings
Fibre Multicast -- -- -- Available
Copper Multicast -- -- -- Available
For all ADSL and WBC Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC or WBC SOGEA) services, the stable line rate will be determined during the first 10 days of service usage.
There are no left in jumpers available on this line. This line is on a Market A Exchange.
Throughput/download speeds will be less than line rates and can be affected by a number of factors within and external to BT's network, Communication Providers' networks and within customer premises.
The Stop Sale date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2012; the Formal Retirement date for Datastream is from 30-Jun-2014. The Stop Sale date for IPstream is from 31-Jan-2016; the Formal Retirement date for IPstream is from 31-Dec-2016.
If the End User wishes to migrate from their current Broadband supplier they will need to contact the Broadband supplier they want to take service from to arrange for the service to be migrated.
Note: Please note that postcode and address check results are indicative only. Most accurate results can be obtained from a telephone number check.
Thank you for your interest.
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Does the openreach where and when checker show the cabinet as accepting orders?
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The cabinet is accepting orders.
BT BROADBAND AVAILABILITY CHECKER
Address 1 CHURCH FIELD, CONGERSTONE, NUNEATON, CV13 6NA on Exchange TWYCROSS is served by Cabinet 2
High Low High Low
FTTC Range A (Clean) 25 18 4.9 3.1 -- Available
FTTC Range B (Impacted) 20 9.6 4.1 1.1 -- Available
But a few postcodes are too far for service:
Address 1 ST. PETERS PLACE, SHACKERSTONE, NUNEATON, CV13 6NZ on Exchange TWYCROSS is served by Cabinet 2
WBC ADSL 2+ Up to 1 -- 1 to 3.5 Available
ADSL Max Up to 1 -- 0.75 to 2.5 Available
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So a quick look, although you know this already... as the crow flies your village is 1.8km from the cabinet.
The cable length is, as long as there are no diversions and I do mean very direct, between 2.3 and 2.6km depending on route.
However that you don't have an estimate makes me think it's further still. A line at 2.5km will be able to order FTTC albeit with a mid-single digit estimate.
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The line is exactly 1.5 miles, as i know the exact route from my telephone socket right upto the cabinet.
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/dir/52.6571113,-1.4495...
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As you know the route taken, can you track various properties along that route to see how the availability drops off?
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And this means VDSL2 speed estimates of 1 to 4 Mbps from our system, and Openreach appear to be saying not available meaning they believe line is such that this may not even be possible.
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So what do i do now? Sick of 3mb or expensive 4g mobile broadband. My entire village of 100 premises cant order fibre, yet each village either side 1 mile away can. It almost feels my village is being deliberately ignored by BT! If BT enabled adsl2+ from the cab (and huawei cabinets can do this!) we could get 12+mb broadband that i would be perfectly happy with!
Edited by 8skellerns (Wed 27-Apr-16 23:54:56)
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If BT enabled adsl2+ from the cab (and huawei cabinets can do this!) we could get 12+mb broadband that i would be perfectly happy with!
You likely wouldn't.
The cabinet would have to deliberately reduce power of the cabinet-based ADSL2+ signal, to make sure it didn't interfere with the exchange-based ADSL2+ signals (just like it has to do with VDSL2).
The power reduction would be such that the transmitted signal at the cabinet would have to match the signal strength of the exchange signals as they pass by.
If the power and signal strength has to match, then the performance will match too.
Only way around it: ban all exchange-based ADSL/2+.
So what do i do now?
As the cabinet has been put in place as part of the Leicestershire BDUK project, the first stop is with them, to make sure they keep your village marked NGA-white in their coverage maps.
Then it is a matter of trying to make the village appealing to BT to install an infill cabinet - like their "all-in-one" cabinet, that has both a DSLAM and a PCP. It is happening in some places.
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You have 100 premises ... so, how many do you think would go for an FTTC connection?
If you could get a significant number to commit - why not consider partial self funding? Persuade BT to install and you as residents would make a contribution to the costs.
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Most if not all properties want fibre as everyone is sick of slow unreliable broadband. It was suggested that we contributed as a community, but as each village each side got enabled by BT and by the council, the will to contribute dwindled as the feeling was they are all getting the fibre cabs etc installed without personal funding, so why shouldnt we?
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Simple - the target is not 100% superfast, so councils/BT are cherry picking so that they get to the existing targets with minimal spending.
You could wait to find out what the 10 Mbps USO brings once it finally becomes a right, or whether the county takes some of the savings from first and second phases (and maybe clawback money) and pushes on closer to 100% superfast than what current targets are.
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So why not take the council to task ... they will have made the decision on cabinet enablement and instructed BT (with funding). You (the village) need to make the council aware that even though they council made the decision, probably at lowest cost to them, none of you can get any improvement and their investment is flawed!.
What is needed is a new PCP installing and your existing connections moved to that, then a fibre twin adding to give an improved service. Or a combined PCP and DSLAM - which given the village size could be possible. Then fibre running the extra mile to that cabinet.
You really will need to hammer the council ... or wait several years.
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The way the contracts work usually is the council only pays the gap funding amounts for those who benefit, i.e. get superfast or in some contracts go above 15 Mbps
So if a BDUK project goes live and no-one can get superfast from it then the council should be invoiced nothing.
Even if a council agreed now - probably looking at 18 months to 2 years or more for anything to change on the ground, community funding might reduce that time frame to 12 months.
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True, and in this case there is a whole village that has got FTTC just that the next village on the same cabinet gets none. BT will have given the council the estimates of who would benefit and who would not and the council would make the final decision to invest. BT will have said something like - "this cabinet/PCP) provides connectivity for 180 properties, 60 in village A, 100 in village 2 and 20 outlying. By installing an FTTC twin, 55 in village A will get a good FTTC service, possibly 10 outlying will benefit and possibly just 5 in village B might get a sub 10Mbps service". And the council can then agree or disagree on whether to gap fund and if they do not want to, BT will walk away.
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Well i got my hopes up for nothing, council promised for years that we should fibre, yet due to a technical error, my postcode was never and never will be considered for fibre.
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See you have just ordered a fixed wireless service. It would be good to know what you actually get speedwise when it goes live.
Quite a few people think wireless is the way forward for situations like yours but if all 100 in the village want it it will be interesting to see how it copes.
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Im supposed to get 20% off my broadband bill for 3 months with each additional subscriber i refer using my code, but im scared of referring any more people if it means it slows my connection down!
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It's not possible to just enable ADSL2+ from the cabinet (at least not without major compromises) as to do so would have a massive impact on exchange-based ADSL services (due to cross-talk). The strong signals generated at the cabinet would interfere strongly with the much weaker (attenuated) signals from the exchange. There would also be a knock-on impact on the VDSL services from the cabinet as the power masking would need tweaking.
The standards for these things are set by a (cross-industry) committee called the NICC defined in a standard called the ANFP. A compromised ADSL service from cabinets was proposed at one point, but it wouldn't have given full ADSL2 speeds, and would only really have been useful for cabinets a long way from the exchange.
What is being looked at is something called "long reach" VDSL from the cabinet which I suspect includes some form of change to the power masking and may or may not be compatible with exchange-based ADSL services through the same line bundles. That is modelled to give around 25mbps at 2km and 10mbps out to about 3.5km. No doubt there's a lot of standard setting work to do, with regulatory issues too, especially if it impacts on exchange ADSL services.
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2015/09/can-bts...
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