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I just noticed this morning of an addition the page of BT Broadband Availability Checker has changed below:
WBC FTTC 18x2 Provide Availability
WBC FTTC 18x2 Sim Availability
I was wondering what all this?
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LIke wot Andrew told us about in April. Though what the Sim part is I have no idea.
Presumably the trial has ended, or maybe as far as BT Wholesale is concerned only just starting.
The price there was clearly Openreach to provider, and the current Openreach price list doesn't seem to have it, even in the Special Offers and Trials.
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Edited by RobertoS (Sun 11-Dec-16 13:11:08)
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Look like ISP's start to do a new product soon FTTC 18/2 (only for long distance away from the street cabinet)
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Register (or login) on our website and you will not see this ad.
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A 'sim provide' in my neck of the woods, is a simultaneous provide, line and FTTC jumpering in the same visit.
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I was surprise there is no addition of WBC FTTC G.Fast yet?
Edited by adslmax (Sun 11-Dec-16 15:52:15)
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Why, what makes you think it's coming to your cabinet anytime soon?
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Thought it could be coming in Summer 2017?
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What makes you think it's coming to Your cabinet though? It can't be available at every cabinet by then
Edited by witchunt (Sun 11-Dec-16 16:12:53)
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I'm sure he will have it and will be saying how good/bad it is. Can do magic that one 
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Nah my cabinet more likely the last one! Probably late 2020
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Well you seem to get things before me so there's no hope here then!
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Certainly not by next Summer
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I just know that someday when this G.fast is here and them and VM are competing to get the fastest I can choose either or both.
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Yes, but why suddenly introduce it as a unique thing for 18/2? It's no different surely than the existing variants where it's never mentioned on the BTW checker I looked at. Take a peek  .
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 60000/15199kbps @ 600m. - IPv4
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Certainly not by next Summer
It's a pity that it will come to Sheffield area (where Plusnet PLC will taking a trial there)
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Is this the LR-VDSL2 product or in addition to it?
PlusNet Unlimited Fibre 3Mb to 5Mb
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Yes I think so
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Is this the LR-VDSL2 product or in addition to it?
No, it does not including LR-VDSL2 (if it does, it would addition on the checker page)
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I doubt it. From the link I posted as the first reply, >> comments:- Posted by andrew 8 months ago
Alas John no relevance, since it will for the trial period at least only be available to specific lines on specific cabinets who are only on ADSL
For faster speeds, you will be wanting to find out when/if Long Reach VDSL or lower noise margin figures are rolled out. As I read it, it's just an OR product for people on enabled cabinets who will only get low FTTC speeds but still better than their ADSLx. They don't like paying for 40/2, 40/10, 55/10 so don't bother.
Or want more takeup.
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 60000/15199kbps @ 600m. - IPv4
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Indeed.
The 18/2 product was in a trial by Openreach, and was available only on a few cabinets, and only to people who could only get limited speeds (below 2 or 3 Mbps IIRC). BT Wholesale didn't take part in the trial, so it was presumably meant for one of the LLU ISPs.
I don't know if it is now available more freely.
The 18/2 trial is separate from the LR-VDSL trial. The STIN for LR-VDSL specifies a single 40/10 profile.
Edited by deleted (Sun 11-Dec-16 18:00:54)
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True Fibre are the future! Real FTTP.
All these below on a copper wiring by BT is a waste of time outdated & money!
DSL
ADSL
ADSL2
ADSL2+
FTTC
FTTPoD
FTTPoD2
G.FAST
LR-VDSL
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FTTP, FTTPoD.........
Copper?
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True Fibre are the future! Real FTTP.
Yes but the UK is never part of the "future" we know this.
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While the 18/2 is not LR-VDSL who says the checker will distinguish.
One proviso for LR-VDSL is that there is no ADSL either, so its future is limited to areas where BT Wholesale is willing to shift people to VDSL kit, and/or the LLU operators do the same (or there be no LLU presence)
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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Trial has been extended to 31 March 2017 - https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/updates/briefi...
"18/2 is available to order now to customers who receive less than 10M on ADSL or ADSL2+, and are also connected to an eligible cabinet."
Openreach pricing is still on the offers' page - https://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/products/prici...
BT Wholesale cost to ISPs is £9.75 a month (ex VAT) - https://www.btwholesale.com/assets/documents/Service...
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You really do spout a total load of rubbish at times.
You never have and never will understand the how a new comms product comes about, the timescales to develop it, the costs involved and the need to recover investment.
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M H C
taurus excreta cerebrum vincit
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True Fibre are the future! Real FTTP.
All these below on a copper wiring by BT is a waste of time outdated & money!
I've an idea for you max...
Create your own community of people who want FTTP. You'll find it easiest to get people to join in if you tell them you are going to pay for it. If people end up happy, you'll let them chip in a fiver next christmas time.
Then contact BT's community upgrade team. Tell them you have a group of people who want the whole of Cuckoo Oak upgraded to FTTP, and that you'll pay.
BT will be really happy with you: you are saving them from that wasted time and money.
We know you don't mind paying for it all - because you never mention anything about having to make a profit when you comment on fibre stories. Who cares about profit, right?
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Thanks Andy. I wonder how I missed that? 
I did look for it and thought I went to the special offers.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 60000/15199kbps @ 600m. - IPv4
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Your points are what make me think this 18/2 product is targeted at both types of user and sold the same way. With the DSLAM choosing whether the 17 or 8 Profile is used.
PlusNet Unlimited Fibre 3Mb to 5Mb
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Just notice my BTw availability checker shows
WBC FTTC 18x2 Provide Availability === YES
This looks interesting as as I'm only syncing at around 23Mbps up 0.6Mbps down on a 55/10 product.
Any news on which, if any, ISP's are providing this product?
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If the rules of the earlier trial announcements still apply it was designed to entice people away from ADSL, rather than a cheaper option for people already on FTTC.
Call it an experiment to drive take-up and see if areas can be cleared of ADSL so VDSL2 can borrow the frequencies and get better performance as distance increases.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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I'm only syncing at around 23Mbps up 0.6Mbps down on a 55/10 product. Those are surely the wrong way round?
Assuming they are, then 18/2 would make no difference to the upstream and remove 5Mbps from the downstream. After that it is value judgement by you. The good bit is you should sync at the full 18Mbps down with unchanged up.
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
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Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 48999/14363bps  @ 600m. - IPv4
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A 'sim provide' in my neck of the woods, is a simultaneous provide, line and FTTC jumpering in the same visit.
I just noticed that the original trial specified that 'sim provides' were not acceptable - presumably trying to focus on upgrades, rather than new orders.
Presumably we see the separate table entry because BT have decided that it will be acceptable for new orders in some places, and unacceptable in others.
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FTTPod &
FTTPod2?
they are outdated and on copper wiring?
I think you need to educate yourself a little better.
Mahenta shows this available on my cabinet. cabinet is full so showing unavailable on btw checker.
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18x2 Sim Availability has now changed to Yes on my line ... do we expect any suppliers to offer a cheaper package now?
PlusNet Unlimited Fibre 3Mb to 5Mb
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Mine also shows it as available, but the column before it, " WBC FTTC 18x2 Provide Availability" is blank.  ?
Does that mean Openreach can do the install, but there is no ordering system  ?
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 54999/14466Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
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Remember Openreach and BT Wholesale are different, so Openreach may have it all sorted, but BT Wholesale may still be tinkering.
Slightly different story in Northern Ireland of course.
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The author of the above post is a thinkbroadband staff member. It may not constitute an official statement on behalf of thinkbroadband.
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I did wonder that, but BT Wholesale are the ones saying it is available .
Kindness isn't going to cure the world of all its awfulness but it's a good place to begin. Daisy Ridley.
My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk. Domains, site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - AAISP Home::1 80/20. Sync 54999/14466Kbps @ 600m. BQMs - IPv4 & IPv6
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if it comes to a cab that cab will be shown on the checker when its appropriate
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Last time I heard, it was still in trial by Openreach, not taken up by Wholesale, and being used by an LLU provider. It was also limited to certain cabs, and to people with ADSL speeds below a threshold ... so was only available for migrations from ADSL and not for new provides or sim provides).
BTW didn't take part in the trial because, IIRC, it was a limited set of cabs.
Interesting that those columns are for WBC products. It suggests that BTW are going to make use of the products sooner or later.
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