Fibre link

Help needed

I've been having horrendous problems with slow downloads and high pings between 6.30 pm - 10.30 pm which improves to full speed at all other times.

I've contacted Vodafone numerous times who have told me it's a Fibre link problem and it's showing as Amber , I have told them I wish to leave penalty free as speeds under 10Mbps during the evening just aren't good enough.

They reckon it's an Openreach problem and whoever I switch to on the Openreach network I will suffer the same problem.

This smells like bull to me but thought I'd ask the more knowledgeable on here.

Vodafone run their own backhaul. I don't think they operate in areas where they don't have their own link.

If the backhaul is showing as amber then they need to add more capacity at the handover exchange which may or may not require raising a job with Openreach depending on the setup.

But what they�re saying is wrong. If you were to switch to Sky or a BT Wholesale based ISP then you wouldn�t be facing these issues.

Or TalkTalk Retail (yuk) or a TalkTalk Business reseller (good).

Are you on 40, 55 or 80 DS product?

Openreach minimum throughput rates for these are 15/20/30 (from the DSLAM to the L2Switch in the handover exchange).

If you're falling below this (remember other things on your network may be using the connection too) then it's more likely either congestion on their link to the L2Switch, backhaul congestion, or another fault somewhere else.

I'm assuming no weirdness with your Sync in all this (i.e. interference between those hours causes your line to re-sync at a poor rate).

In reply to a post by Blmcg:

Are you on 40, 55 or 80 DS product?

Openreach minimum throughput rates for these are 15/20/30 (from the DSLAM to the L2Switch in the handover exchange).

If you're falling below this (remember other things on your network may be using the connection too) then it's more likely either congestion on their link to the L2Switch, backhaul congestion, or another fault somewhere else.

I'm assuming no weirdness with your Sync in all this (i.e. interference between those hours causes your line to re-sync at a poor rate).

I'm on the 80/20 and get full sync as we are extremely close to cab.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Vodafone run their own backhaul. I don't think they operate in areas where they don't have their own link.

It depends what you mean by that.

On many exchanges, they use Openreach services, specifically EAD (ethernet access direct) to get from A to B and on many exchanges, these links are 1Gb and congested.

That could very well be the problem for the OP, as it is has been in the past and very much likely will continue into the future.

Matt

In reply to a post by uno:

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

Vodafone run their own backhaul. I don't think they operate in areas where they don't have their own link.

It depends what you mean by that.

On many exchanges, they use Openreach services, specifically EAD (ethernet access direct) to get from A to B and on many exchanges, these links are 1Gb and congested.

That could very well be the problem for the OP, as it is has been in the past and very much likely will continue into the future.

Matt

But the question is would that still cause me the same problem if I switched to a different ISP using my BT phone line as Vodafone suggested to me ?

If the congestion is in Vodafone's network, no.

Matt

And based on recent experience of others this moving elsewhere looks a safe bet

We are getting a little bit more technical here which is why I avoided mentioning EAD as people in the past have started arguing with me on the subject. When I know what I�m talking about as I work kn exchanges nearly every day of my working life.

It�s accurate to say that Vodafone have their own backhaul, but it�s over Openreach fibre (EAD). But it�s down to Vodafone to manage that, hence why you can think of it as their backhaul. If they�re running low, they can add another link. Also, it�s entirely separate to the BT Wholesale fibre entering and leaving the exchanges.

That last why I said it�s not correct for Voda to say it�ll be the same if you switch. They can�t possibly know the situation with BT Wholesale, TalkTalk, Sky or Zen�s backhaul.

I would also add that it�s highly unlikely to be the fibre running from the cabinet to the handover exchange. Openreach are pretty good at managing that. It�s more likely to be the Vodafone backhaul.

Edited by deleted (Sun 25-Feb-18 18:47:44)

In reply to a post by Icaras:

It�s accurate to say that Vodafone have their own backhaul, but it�s over Openreach fibre (EAD).

They use a fair bit of their optical platform (C&W era) for back-haul in the larger exchanges/on-net footprint.
I very much expect they would be using EBD where it makes sense, and OS(E)A in some places where they need the capacity.

Agreed there will be a good bit of EAD being used for backhaul out there though (or ONBS/BES where they haven't changed it yet).

In reply to a post by Icaras:

It�s more likely to be the Vodafone backhaul.

Guess it depends on how big the OHP serving for the EU's exchange is, but I'd be suspicious that the contention may well be on their Cablelink to the L2S, most are still 1Gb...


Either way, it's fairly clear this is in Voda's court to address, if they want (It's a contended product at the end of the day, and they are going for the budget market).

In reply to a post by Blmcg:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

It�s accurate to say that Vodafone have their own backhaul, but it�s over Openreach fibre (EAD).

They use a fair bit of their optical platform (C&W era) for back-haul in the larger exchanges/on-net footprint.
I very much expect they would be using EBD where it makes sense, and OS(E)A in some places where they need the capacity.

Agreed there will be a good bit of EAD being used for backhaul out there though (or ONBS/BES where they haven't changed it yet).

Indeed, they�ll try and avoid paying Openreach for backhaul fibre where at all possible. I know in my borough though there�s only 3 out of 11 exchanges where the old C&W network gets anywhere close to though.

Edited by deleted (Wed 28-Feb-18 07:22:01)