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Standard User max360
(regular) Fri 25-Jan-19 17:28:14
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Hi all,

I had the FTTP service installed today. Here are some of the pictures:

https://ibb.co/dcqpZ9z
https://ibb.co/h27wB6P
https://ibb.co/9t7zxwG
https://ibb.co/dWXRf63

Speed test:
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7986953233

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/15484371934...

ISP: PlusNet
ISP: BT
Stechford (CMSTE) Cab 24 - Funded Privately (Community Partnership).

Birmingham Fibre First Program: FTTP - BT Ultra fast fibre 2 plus package - 330Mb down 50Mb up.
Standard User boxst
(fountain of knowledge) Fri 25-Jan-19 19:27:54
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That looks great. Why the difference in speed tests?
Standard User max360
(regular) Fri 25-Jan-19 19:41:03
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That looks great. Why the difference in speed tests?


Thanks. I have done number of tests on speedtest.net and it's coming up over 300Mb download and on the thinkbroadband.com website is coming up as 280Mb, not sure.

ISP: PlusNet
ISP: BT
Stechford (CMSTE) Cab 24 - Funded Privately (Community Partnership).

Birmingham Fibre First Program: FTTP - BT Ultra fast fibre 2 plus package - 330Mb down 50Mb up.


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Standard User busterboy
(member) Fri 25-Jan-19 22:08:07
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Congrats mate, still waiting for mine but it is ongoing right now. smile

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Standard User max360
(regular) Sat 26-Jan-19 09:51:02
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Thanks mate, hopefully if they have started work in your area, it shouldn't be too long, before it becomes available to order.

ISP: PlusNet
ISP: BT
Stechford (CMSTE) Cab 24 - Funded Privately (Community Partnership).

Birmingham Fibre First Program: FTTP - BT Ultra fast fibre 2 plus package - 330Mb down 50Mb up.
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Sat 26-Jan-19 12:47:55
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That larger box cover is good - much better than my job where they just left the battery backup and terminal box+wires exposed.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sat 26-Jan-19 16:16:07
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That larger box cover is good - much better than my job where they just left the battery backup and terminal box+wires exposed.

... but yours is a four port ONT. Swings and roundabouts innit.

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 04:58:24
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In reply to a post by Garlic:
That larger box cover is good - much better than my job where they just left the battery backup and terminal box+wires exposed.

... but yours is a four port ONT. Swings and roundabouts innit.

I have wondered why they didn't rename the TEL1 to TEL and Port1 to Data on the 1 Port ONT's, why they left the number on it I don't know.

Also not a fan of the new look, I prefer the 4 Port ONT, at least with that if Port1 dies the config to be moved to one of the other ports.
But maybe I have just got use to it.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Sun 27-Jan-19 04:59:11)

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-Jan-19 08:40:51
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I have wondered why they didn't rename the TEL1 to TEL and Port1 to Data on the 1 Port ONT's, why they left the number on it I don't know.

To save confusing Openreach staff ??

To stop ISPís having an excuse of Ďfurther trading requiredí for their support staff ?

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 08:45:25
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I have wondered why they didn't rename the TEL1 to TEL and Port1 to Data on the 1 Port ONT's, why they left the number on it I don't know.

To save confusing Openreach staff ??

To stop ISPís having an excuse of Ďfurther trading requiredí for their support staff ?

LOL, yeah prob.

Paul

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Sun 27-Jan-19 08:48:49
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Trading or training? wink

Adding to that idea though, maybe thatís why the 4-port one has been dropped. Counting to 4 might be beyond some CS staff.

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Standard User Jonno21
(newbie) Sun 27-Jan-19 08:51:45
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Interesting to note how much complexity is involved for FTTP especially when used to just seeing the master socket. I'm afraid that unless the installation can be vastly tidied up in the future it won't pass the "wife test". Our installation would have to be through the living room wall or the upstairs bedroom. We have an internal garage built into the house (semi) and the existing outside shared ducting connection comes out underground in between mine and the neighbours garage and the wires split to serve both properties.

My wire then snakes around under the guttering of the garage and then upstairs into the bedroom where the master socket is. At present, even in geek mode I couldn't tolerate the mass of wires and ugliness of the installation.

(Sorry, meant to reply to thread and not individual post. Each forum works differently - Noob to this forum)

Edited by Jonno21 (Sun 27-Jan-19 08:54:12)

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Sun 27-Jan-19 08:55:07
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I prefer the 4 Port ONT, at least with that if Port1 dies the config to be moved to one of the other ports.


I don't believe you can do that - at least, not without re-provisioning by your ISP - since the service is bound to an individual port.

I suspect the reason the 4-port ONTs were dropped was to save a few pennies, given that the vast majority of users took only a single data service. Still, it would have been nice when changing ISP to have the old ISP on one port and the new ISP on another.
Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-Jan-19 09:01:00
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Ah yes, post before reading strikes again ...

They are still around.

My guess would be cost .......

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 09:27:44
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Its actually not that complex nor does it have to be wife-unfriendly wink

The fibre enters my living room from the external CSP and its no more than a 5m cable run to the ONT. I politely refused to have a BBU installed to keep things tidier and it doesn't look too bad. On the old fibre lead-in kits, you had up to 30m of internal cabling allowed, you now have up to 160m allowed from the ONT to the DP on the connectorized installs.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7LWM0jN/IMG-261.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QtdwFPy0/IMG-262.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/2yPKX58K/IMG-285.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RC8y0gQL/IMG-290.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mkcnw9R9/IMG-295.jpg

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 09:58:53
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In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
I prefer the 4 Port ONT, at least with that if Port1 dies the config to be moved to one of the other ports.


I don't believe you can do that - at least, not without re-provisioning by your ISP - since the service is bound to an individual port.

I suspect the reason the 4-port ONTs were dropped was to save a few pennies, given that the vast majority of users took only a single data service. Still, it would have been nice when changing ISP to have the old ISP on one port and the new ISP on another.

I am not too sure if you was referring to me just swapping the ports, I was referring to BT changing the port to use and then asking me to move the WAN cable to that port.

I say this due to a few months back we lost internet yet our phone via FVA worked fine, spoke to BT's FTTP Team who went through loads of tests and could see our ONT connected.

They then asked if it was plugged in Port 1 which it was when I checked, I was asked if I had any spare cables which I did and still nothing.

I was then put on hold for about 5 or so mins while they was checking something, so I played with the WAN cable by plugging it in the other ports and it was working on port 3, when they came back I told them its connecting up when its in port 3 and they could confirm it connected and confirmed it was on port 3, they sounded confused why it was using port 3.

I was then told to plug it back in port 1 and then wait.
Was doing stuff around the home and when I checked later on I could see it was working.

Now what caused this I have no clue due to I was never told.
Maybe they requested for it to be reset back to port 1, who knows, but its been fine since.

But yeah I think it was to save on the build cost and like you said not many people would order more than one FTTP connection by different ISP's.

Paul

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 10:06:05
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Its actually not that complex nor does it have to be wife-unfriendly wink

Yeah, ours is in the living room also, we have a sideboard next to it and the left side of it masks the ONT and the BBU etc.

I was asked by the engineer if I wanted in the small cupboard fixed to the wall the CSP was fixed on, but due to heat I opted for the wall.

Paul

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 10:09:35
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
In reply to a post by Garlic:
That larger box cover is good - much better than my job where they just left the battery backup and terminal box+wires exposed.

... but yours is a four port ONT. Swings and roundabouts innit.

Our engineer cable tied all our cables so ours is neat and tidy, mind you they got given a free new drill battery that a builder left 4 months before.

Paul

Standard User Garlic
(regular) Sun 27-Jan-19 10:19:21
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In reply to a post by Zarjaz:
In reply to a post by Garlic:
That larger box cover is good - much better than my job where they just left the battery backup and terminal box+wires exposed.

... but yours is a four port ONT. Swings and roundabouts innit.


Perhaps,they made a right mess outside with the cable as well. I hear some don't even get the battery backup now.

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Sun 27-Jan-19 10:24:17
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Perhaps,they made a right mess outside with the cable as well. I hear some don't even get the battery backup now.

As far as I was aware you only get the BBU if you was also having FVA.

Paul

Standard User Jonno21
(newbie) Sun 27-Jan-19 11:30:23
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Its actually not that complex nor does it have to be wife-unfriendly wink

The fibre enters my living room from the external CSP and its no more than a 5m cable run to the ONT. I politely refused to have a BBU installed to keep things tidier and it doesn't look too bad. On the old fibre lead-in kits, you had up to 30m of internal cabling allowed, you now have up to 160m allowed from the ONT to the DP on the connectorized installs.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7LWM0jN/IMG-261.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QtdwFPy0/IMG-262.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/2yPKX58K/IMG-285.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RC8y0gQL/IMG-290.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mkcnw9R9/IMG-295.jpg


Thanks for this. It does look less "busy" than the other installation. The next bridge to cross will be having part of the drive and garden dug up to enable the boxes to be installed in the lounge, plus extra electrical sockets. We didn't bother with Virgin as it would have meant digging up the garden to install the cable from the pavement as the junction box in the pavement aligns exactly with the neighbour's boundary hedge. The drive and garden upheaval would definitely not pass the wife test. Looks like FTTP is dead in the water for me.
Standard User Garlic
(regular) Sun 27-Jan-19 13:27:51
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In reply to a post by Jonno21:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Its actually not that complex nor does it have to be wife-unfriendly wink

The fibre enters my living room from the external CSP and its no more than a 5m cable run to the ONT. I politely refused to have a BBU installed to keep things tidier and it doesn't look too bad. On the old fibre lead-in kits, you had up to 30m of internal cabling allowed, you now have up to 160m allowed from the ONT to the DP on the connectorized installs.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7LWM0jN/IMG-261.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QtdwFPy0/IMG-262.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/2yPKX58K/IMG-285.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RC8y0gQL/IMG-290.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mkcnw9R9/IMG-295.jpg


Thanks for this. It does look less "busy" than the other installation. The next bridge to cross will be having part of the drive and garden dug up to enable the boxes to be installed in the lounge, plus extra electrical sockets. We didn't bother with Virgin as it would have meant digging up the garden to install the cable from the pavement as the junction box in the pavement aligns exactly with the neighbour's boundary hedge. The drive and garden upheaval would definitely not pass the wife test. Looks like FTTP is dead in the water for me.


Dug fibre though my garden. Frankly as long as you remove the turf carefully you can put it back and it hardly shows in a few weeks.

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Standard User jabuzzard
(member) Sun 27-Jan-19 15:17:55
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Well that's not even me friendly let alone "wife-friendly". It's not awful but you have cables clipped on top of the skirting board and a monstrosity of a router on a table in the living room.

I could not be doing with any visible cables clipped anywhere and I like my access points stuck on the ceiling where they are not noticeable and don't take up space, with the router out of sight in next to the patch panel with all the Cat6a runs around the house terminate and the home server/NAS, and UPS are also located.
Standard User max360
(regular) Sun 27-Jan-19 15:37:32
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I've just done a speed test just now. I'm not even getting half the download speed anymore. Upload speed is okay.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/7991735400
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/15486033593...

Is there issue at the head end or is this congestion on the BT network?

ISP: BT - FTTP 330Mb/50Mb
ISP: PlusNet - FTTC - 80Mb/20Mb

Birmingham Fibre First Program: FTTP - BT Ultra fast fibre 2 plus package - 330Mb down 50Mb up.

Stechford (CMSTE) Cab 24 - Funded Privately (Community Partnership).
Standard User busterboy
(member) Sun 27-Jan-19 15:43:24
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In reply to a post by max360:
I've just done a speed test just now. I'm not even getting half the download speed anymore. Upload speed is okay.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/7991735400
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/15486033593...

Is there issue at the head end or is this congestion on the BT network?


I thought if you paid for the 330/50 package you were guaranteed 330/50 on FTTP.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Edited by busterboy (Sun 27-Jan-19 15:44:52)

Administrator MrSaffron
(staff) Sun 27-Jan-19 16:07:23
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Connection speed is guaranteed but throughput is still a shared medium at various points of the network

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Sun 27-Jan-19 17:23:42
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Not true Paul, they should all have a BBU fitted .....



yes, I know some donít get them through customer choice.

Standard User bedrock
(member) Sun 27-Jan-19 21:24:02
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I have the BBU, inside the single ONT case, but no FVA, they left voice on the existing copper

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Standard User Jonno21
(newbie) Sun 27-Jan-19 22:47:45
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[re: Garlic] [link to this post]
 
In reply to a post by Garlic:
In reply to a post by Jonno21:
In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
Its actually not that complex nor does it have to be wife-unfriendly wink

The fibre enters my living room from the external CSP and its no more than a 5m cable run to the ONT. I politely refused to have a BBU installed to keep things tidier and it doesn't look too bad. On the old fibre lead-in kits, you had up to 30m of internal cabling allowed, you now have up to 160m allowed from the ONT to the DP on the connectorized installs.

https://i.postimg.cc/q7LWM0jN/IMG-261.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/QtdwFPy0/IMG-262.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/2yPKX58K/IMG-285.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/RC8y0gQL/IMG-290.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mkcnw9R9/IMG-295.jpg


Thanks for this. It does look less "busy" than the other installation. The next bridge to cross will be having part of the drive and garden dug up to enable the boxes to be installed in the lounge, plus extra electrical sockets. We didn't bother with Virgin as it would have meant digging up the garden to install the cable from the pavement as the junction box in the pavement aligns exactly with the neighbour's boundary hedge. The drive and garden upheaval would definitely not pass the wife test. Looks like FTTP is dead in the water for me.


Dug fibre though my garden. Frankly as long as you remove the turf carefully you can put it back and it hardly shows in a few weeks.


They will also have to dig up around 20 foot of concrete drive which will then need to be reinstated. Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a geek as the next person and would love to have FTTP, (although it's not available in my area at the moment)
Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 04:30:30
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Connection speed is guaranteed but throughput is still a shared medium at various points of the network

Agreed, with our connection I know we are fine going back to the exchange due to only between 6 to 8 people have FTTP that are connected to our splitter node, and most of those may have the lower tier speeds, but yeah its still shared with x amount connections once it leaves the exchange and gets on BT's Network.

We have been lucky so far by getting our speed +90% of the time, the worst I have seen it is about 238Mbps which is still ok.

One thing I have noticed though is our latency has always stayed very low in the 2 to 4 ms and have 3 times seen 1ms even in the evening times.

I think the only thing that has affected our latency is when I am uploading very large files to our server or YouTube or Twitch.

Paul

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 04:48:13
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Not true Paul, they should all have a BBU fitted .....

yes, I know some donít get them through customer choice.

Oh ok, I learnt something new LOL

I know our engineer wasn't originally going to install ours, but when I saw no BBU being fitted and mentioned that our phone was going to be moved over to FVA he then fitted the BBU.

Due to BT messed up with our FVA order which was originally due to be moved over the same time as the internal install (i.e. stage 2) he made the cable with the BT Plug 431A (I think that's the connector) at one end and connected that to the ONT and tacked the cable to the skirting board and left the cable coiled up near the NTE5A Master Socket.

He then said once FVA is ready (I.e. TEL1 is lit or flashing) swap the copper line with this new cable and then go through the process (i.e. phone 142 599 and follow the instructions) which I did and its been fine.

BTW how long do those supplied batteries last in the BBU before they need to be changed, I have not even checked what brand they are, I know the manual might of said when to change them, but sadly we never got a manual when it was installed.

Paul

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 04:50:40
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I have the BBU, inside the single ONT case, but no FVA, they left voice on the existing copper

Yeah Zarjaz did mention that, I guess its for when they get around to removing copper line, assuming they do, or its to keep the ONT Synced up.

Paul

Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 28-Jan-19 05:36:04
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No manual comes with Iím afraid ....

If the rechargeable batteries fail, then youíll get the fault light come on on the BBU

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 06:40:00
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No manual comes with Iím afraid ....

If the rechargeable batteries fail, then youíll get the fault light come on on the BBU

Yeah I had a feeling there was no manual.
As for the fault light so its like a low power UPS instead of using SLA it uses AA batteries.

Paul

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(staff) Mon 28-Jan-19 09:15:07
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Voice requirements are changing so once its all voice over broadband only vulnerable customers will be given battery back up solution

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 09:37:49
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Well that's not even me friendly let alone "wife-friendly". It's not awful but you have cables clipped on top of the skirting board and a monstrosity of a router on a table in the living room.

I could not be doing with any visible cables clipped anywhere and I like my access points stuck on the ceiling where they are not noticeable and don't take up space, with the router out of sight in next to the patch panel with all the Cat6a runs around the house terminate and the home server/NAS, and UPS are also located.


1) For a domestic property, I very much doubt Openreach would start knocking down walls, install their ezy-bend fibre cable and then re-build the walls to keep the fibre cable totally hidden.

2) I have absolutely no need to install ceiling mounted access points. My router - connected via a short 30cm cat 5e cable to the ONT - gives me full wifi coverage throughout the home. Having wafer thin walls helps wrt wifi, if I had 1m thick walls then perhaps I would need additional hardware. Sometimes keeping things simple is best smile

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Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 09:51:46
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Voice requirements are changing so once its all voice over broadband only vulnerable customers will be given battery back up solution

Ok, well that makes sense.

Paul

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 10:05:08
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In reply to a post by jabuzzard:
Well that's not even me friendly let alone "wife-friendly". It's not awful but you have cables clipped on top of the skirting board and a monstrosity of a router on a table in the living room.

I could not be doing with any visible cables clipped anywhere and I like my access points stuck on the ceiling where they are not noticeable and don't take up space, with the router out of sight in next to the patch panel with all the Cat6a runs around the house terminate and the home server/NAS, and UPS are also located.

2) I have absolutely no need to install ceiling mounted access points. My router - connected via a short 30cm cat 5e cable to the ONT - gives me full wifi coverage throughout the home. Having wafer thin walls helps wrt wifi, if I had 1m thick walls then perhaps I would need additional hardware. Sometimes keeping things simple is best smile

I agree with this to a point, ours comes in through the wall from the CSP into our living room and then into the ONT with very little fibre cable used between the two, I have a very short CAT5e cable from the ONT WAN Port 1 to my Linksys WRT 3200 ACM and then from Ethernet Port 1 its connection to the SamKnows White Box and then onto our Lan.

We have a dual gang Ethernet Points in each room that needs them and each room has a 5 port 1Gbit Switch.

I went with 5 Port Switches instead of adding the required cables due to they were cheap and saves me pulling several cables through to where the main Ethernet Switch was located along with our in house servers.

As for using Wi-Fi no router with Wi-Fi will cover our whole building, its either the front, or the back or the middle that will get Wi-Fi not all.

I could add AP for the rear of the building, but I was holding that off till I decide what to do, I might just disable Wi-Fi on the router and just buy a couple of AP and place them to cover the whole building.

Paul

Standard User Garlic
(regular) Mon 28-Jan-19 10:26:16
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In reply to a post by Garlic:
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... nested quotes trimmed ...


Thanks for this. It does look less "busy" than the other installation. The next bridge to cross will be having part of the drive and garden dug up to enable the boxes to be installed in the lounge, plus extra electrical sockets. We didn't bother with Virgin as it would have meant digging up the garden to install the cable from the pavement as the junction box in the pavement aligns exactly with the neighbour's boundary hedge. The drive and garden upheaval would definitely not pass the wife test. Looks like FTTP is dead in the water for me.


Dug fibre though my garden. Frankly as long as you remove the turf carefully you can put it back and it hardly shows in a few weeks.


They will also have to dig up around 20 foot of concrete drive which will then need to be reinstated. Don't get me wrong, I'm as much of a geek as the next person and would love to have FTTP, (although it's not available in my area at the moment)


Should only need to be done once. Frankly you'll only end up regretting it as in the long term it will badly hurt your house price if you don't. Shoulnd't be that long Fttp is ramping up nicely all over the place atm.

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Standard User jabuzzard
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1) For a domestic property, I very much doubt Openreach would start knocking down walls, install their ezy-bend fibre cable and then re-build the walls to keep the fibre cable totally hidden.


Probably not, but then I would have installed suitable conduit myself prior to Openreach arriving. Failing that I would fix it after the fact.

2) I have absolutely no need to install ceiling mounted access points. My router - connected via a short 30cm cat 5e cable to the ONT - gives me full wifi coverage throughout the home. Having wafer thin walls helps wrt wifi, if I had 1m thick walls then perhaps I would need additional hardware. Sometimes keeping things simple is best smile


Sure but it is a large ugly thing taking up most of a side table in your living room. Hardly in the category of "wife friendly" IMHO. Ceiling mounted access points with no visible cables that are inconspicuous (just look like another smoke detector), and further don't take up otherwise usable space are way more "wife friendly". They are also child friendly too as being mounted on the ceiling they are not easy to interfere with.
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(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 12:12:23
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Sure but it is a large ugly thing taking up most of a side table in your living room. Hardly in the category of "wife friendly" IMHO. Ceiling mounted access points with no visible cables that are inconspicuous (just look like another smoke detector), and further don't take up otherwise usable space are way more "wife friendly". They are also child friendly too as being mounted on the ceiling they are not easy to interfere with.


Exactly - that's just your opinion smile My other half is happy with the router & its placement and we don't have any small kids/pets so unlikely to ever get knocked over. Btw most of the high end 4x4 routers these days are of similar size/appearance. Or do you really think a router/access point the size of a smoke alarm can perform as well as a router with a quadcore CPU and 1 GB ram?

Horses for courses and all that...

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Standard User candlerb
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do you really think a router/access point the size of a smoke alarm can perform as well as a router with a quadcore CPU and 1 GB ram?


Yes: try the Unifi AC Lite. I have two of these (ceiling mounted) and they work really well, as well as having excellent management software. But it's not a router, you still need one of those as well.

The suggestion is to put the router in a cupboard somewhere, and then use ceiling mounted APs for wireless coverage, powered by PoE on CAT5e.

Of course, everyone does what suits them best. For me, the house is long and thin and I don't get good coverage from a single AP, so I have ceiling-mounted APs front and rear.
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that's just your opinion

Oi, thatís my line grin

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My daughter has just moved into a new build house which has FTTP already installed. She has had BT Fibre switched on last Tuesday and it is working at around 50Mps so all ok. However, the router has 4 ports labelled 1-4 and each of these is connected to an individual socket around the house. She also has a BT Wifi router which I thought we should be able to connect to any of the 4 sockets and set up.
However having spent several (too many) hours trying to get this setup, testing all the 4 sockets back to the distribution box and the router etc., I have now discovered that the only port that will allow the WiFi router to work is Port #1!!
Sorry for my query but I expected that all 4 ports on the router would be live, however having read some posts on here am I correct in thinking that this is not the case? If so then presumably we cannot, for instance, connect a laptop to ports 2-4 and connect directly to the internet?
I would appreciate any help on this before we report the Router as suspected faulty to BT.
Thanks in advance.
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(knowledge is power) Mon 28-Jan-19 14:05:23
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In reply to a post by baby_frogmella:
do you really think a router/access point the size of a smoke alarm can perform as well as a router with a quadcore CPU and 1 GB ram?


Yes: try the Unifi AC Lite. I have two of these (ceiling mounted) and they work really well, as well as having excellent management software. But it's not a router, you still need one of those as well.

The suggestion is to put the router in a cupboard somewhere, and then use ceiling mounted APs for wireless coverage, powered by PoE on CAT5e.

Of course, everyone does what suits them best. For me, the house is long and thin and I don't get good coverage from a single AP, so I have ceiling-mounted APs front and rear.


Exactly. My router (tri-band) gives me great wifi coverage in the home without any need for additional access points - I suspect having wafer thin walls helps a lot. Perhaps if i had very thick walls then yes, it would make sense to invest in additional APs or a Mesh System.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
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that's just your opinion

Oi, thatís my line grin


Sorry wink

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Mon 28-Jan-19 14:07:34
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Any chance you can post a link to a photo of what you are calling Ďthe routerí ?

If this is , as Iím guessing, a four port ONT, NOT the router, then that only port 1 works is correct ....

Where the cables from the rooms should be connected to is to the LAN ports on the rear of the router ( the BT box with the blue light on it)

Standard User brookheather
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the router has 4 ports labelled 1-4 and each of these is connected to an individual socket around the house. She also has a BT Wifi router which I thought we should be able to connect to any of the 4 sockets and set up.

It's not a router - it's an ONT - only port 1 is physically connected to the fibre optic cable and your BT router then connects to port 1 of the ONT - you can then plug in Ethernet cables in the four ports of the BT router and connect to the four sockets to provide internet in other rooms.
Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Mon 28-Jan-19 14:11:28
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I think you mean the ports on the ONT, (Optical Network Termination), not the router? The BT Hub is the router.

Those on the ONT are for handing over from individual fibres, so up to four "FTTPs". Each if connected back to the exchange would serve another hub, or of course load-balancing or bonding kit if that can be done on FTTP.

Are you sure the other sockets are wired back to them? I'd expect them to be wired to the back of the normal NTE, but probably as phone-only.

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Illustrating one of the reasons for moving to a single port ONT

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it is a large ugly thing taking up most of a side table in your living room.
Forget about wife friendly your comments are not very people friendly frown
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Hi, thanks for your quick reply. I am at my daughters house now and you are correct, it is an ONT box!! which explains why only #1 terminal is live. The four sockets around the house are for internet connection as I have now connected ONT #1 to #2 and it is live to #2 in the lounge where she wants it and the BT WiFi router is now working fine.
The telephone is connected through separate wall boxes. We will need to place the WiFi router near to the ONT box and connect its terminals to the distribution connectors if we want internet on all four room connectors to be live. Many thanks for your replies, they are much appreciated.
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Well that's a novel way of (the builder?) wiring a house, but quite effective! LOL

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I just moved into a new-build house with a similar set-up. I've put the router next to the ONT, connected three of the router's ports to the panel, connected BT Whole Home WiFi discs to each of the ports around the house, and disabled WiFi on the router itself.

The result is blanket WiFi at 1300Mbps (~600Mbps tested throughput) across all three floors, with the added bonus that the discs themselves look good!

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Yes indeed, and trust me, they can still get it wrong.

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Those on the ONT are for handing over from individual fibres, so up to four "FTTPs". Each if connected back to the exchange would serve another hub, or of course load-balancing or bonding kit if that can be done on FTTP.

Not quite Bob ....

A four port ONT served by a single fibre can provide four separate services to each of its WAN ports .....

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Sorry but that's not quite right either, the single fibre can supply a separate service to each port. 4 ports 4 FTTP services. smile
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..... but thatís exactly what I said ??

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Assuming somebody has for instance 4x80mbits fttp services into one 4 port ont, how is that handled at the splitter stage - 4 streams or one multiplexed up into one 360mbits stream ?
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There is one physical light path, which is 2.4Gbps downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream. This is shared by all the ONTs on the same splitter. In the downstream direction, all ONTs receive the same 2.4Gbps stream, but discard data which is not addressed to them. In the upstream direction, each ONT takes it in turn to transmit; this is controlled by the OLT assigning timeslots. Transmit and receive are on different wavelengths and occur simultaneously.

Individual services are then timesliced out of this, and limited to the contracted speed. e.g. if you have a 330/50 service then the OLT at the other end will send you individual packets at 2.4Gbps, but rate limit them so that your total average data rate is 330Mbps. And upstream, the OLT will not allow you to send more than 50Mbps, since it controls the timeslots.

If you have a multi-port ONT, then it can present separate services on each ethernet port. As far as the end user is concerned, this behaves the same as if they had multiple separate ONTs.

Edited by candlerb (Mon 28-Jan-19 19:47:51)

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If you have a multi-port ONT, then it can present separate services on each ethernet port. As far as the end user is concerned, this behaves the same as if they had multiple separate ONTs.


so it separate, which was my initial guess but questioned it given that the stream is encrypted, and reasoned it would be less work to "bundle the 4 services together and decrypt a single feed and route to the lan ports" than have the ont to decrypt 4 separate feeds.
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I don't think so. You said 4 separate services to each of the ports which is not the case.
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Those on the ONT are for handing over from individual fibres, so up to four "FTTPs". Each if connected back to the exchange would serve another hub, or of course load-balancing or bonding kit if that can be done on FTTP.

Not quite Bob ....

A four port ONT served by a single fibre can provide four separate services to each of its WAN ports .....
Thanks Zarjaz.

I think some of the posters following yours aren't reading the word "separate" in the way I am. I think you are saying the end user could have 4 x 330/50 if they wished, perhaps from four ISPs, and any of those 4 could be a lower speed package as well, any mixture?

All coming down the single strand that is in effect end-user <> exchange.

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 29-Jan-19 04:15:34
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I don't think so. You said 4 separate services to each of the ports which is not the case.

Despite his wording, Iím pretty sure Zarjaz meant 1 lan port supports 1 fttp line, therefore you can have up to 4 separate fttp lines on a 4 port ont.

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I think some of the posters following yours aren't reading the word "separate" in the way I am. I think you are saying the end user could have 4 x 330/50 if they wished, perhaps from four ISPs, and any of those 4 could be a lower speed package as well, any mixture?

All coming down the single strand that is in effect end-user <> exchange.

Correct.

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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Jan-19 06:04:18
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Yes Bob, thatís exactly what I was saying. smile

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(committed) Tue 29-Jan-19 08:33:05
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Despite his wording, Iím pretty sure Zarjaz meant 1 lan port supports 1 fttp line, therefore you can have up to 4 separate fttp lines on a 4 port ont.


It might be clearer to say "fttp service" rather than "fttp line", since a single fibre strand carries all four fttp services.

Also, I think it's better not to call them "lan ports". It is true that they *are* RJ45 ethernet, but they don't connect directly to your Local Area Network. The service is delivered as PPPoE, so you connect them to the WAN port of your router (or other device which can terminate a PPPoE session)
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(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Jan-19 08:58:36
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I didnít call them LAN ports ... though my description as a WAN ainít much better ...

A four port ONT served by a single fibre can provide four separate services to each of its WAN ports .....


... didnít say lines either now I re read it.

I reckon Iíll have to stick to knowing what I mean in my head grin

Standard User PaulKirby
(knowledge is power) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:04:16
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I reckon Iíll have to stick to knowing what I mean in my head grin

LOL, I get this all the time with Software and Hardware Engineering, I try to explain stuff and confuse the hell out of people yet its clear in my head.

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(regular) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:26:35
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There is one physical light path, which is 2.4Gbps downstream and 1.2Gbps upstream. This is shared by all the ONTs on the same splitter. In the downstream direction, all ONTs receive the same 2.4Gbps stream, but discard data which is not addressed to them. In the upstream direction, each ONT takes it in turn to transmit; this is controlled by the OLT assigning timeslots. Transmit and receive are on different wavelengths and occur simultaneously.

Individual services are then timesliced out of this, and limited to the contracted speed. e.g. if you have a 330/50 service then the OLT at the other end will send you individual packets at 2.4Gbps, but rate limit them so that your total average data rate is 330Mbps. And upstream, the OLT will not allow you to send more than 50Mbps, since it controls the timeslots.

If you have a multi-port ONT, then it can present separate services on each ethernet port. As far as the end user is concerned, this behaves the same as if they had multiple separate ONTs.
Hi All

Does anyone know when FTTP will start moving to using 2nd gen GPON (10G) for new deployments rather than 1st gen GPON (2.4G)? not that we currently need it but trying to introduce a standard that has been around for nearly 10 years now rather than continuing to install older 2.4G technology. I believe the existing architecture contains wavelength division multiplexing technology that allows both types to be sent down the same fibre. The only difference I can see for the end user would be a different ONT (due to its wavelength filter, although the manufacturer could start making a switchable version) and a parallel 10G OLT at the exchange.
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(knowledge is power) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:34:39
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If you take out the higher 0.5 or 1 Gbps services (at present very limited availability), then Openreach WILL upgrade the GPON hardware for your circuit at some point. Not sure on the exact spec of the new hardware though.

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(regular) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:38:12
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Whatever anyone writes or says it can always been interpreted different ways, thinking about it is enough to make you paranoid smile
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(regular) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:43:42
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If you take out the higher 0.5 or 1 Gbps services (at present very limited availability), then Openreach WILL upgrade the GPON hardware for your circuit at some point. Not sure on the exact spec of the new hardware though.
OK that's interesting so they do use 10G OLT's but only for those purchasing 0.5/1 Gbps services?

[Edit] added a question mark at the end incase I'm wrong and someone wants to politely correct me.

Edited by dect (Tue 29-Jan-19 09:56:28)

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 29-Jan-19 09:49:12
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Also, I think it's better not to call them "lan ports". It is true that they *are* RJ45 ethernet, but they don't connect directly to your Local Area Network. The service is delivered as PPPoE, so you connect them to the WAN port of your router (or other device which can terminate a PPPoE session)


Yeah I know Openreach based FTTP lines services require authentication (PPPoE), which I guess means the "LAN" port on the ONT is technically a RJ45 WAN port.

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Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 29-Jan-19 09:52:02)

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Or do you really think a router/access point the size of a smoke alarm can perform as well as a router with a quadcore CPU and 1 GB ram?

1GB of RAM is utterly unnecessary for a home router. This the memory usage for a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Infinity doing 10Gbps routing via OSPF, VRRP and firewalling all as part of a stateful failover pair for a tier 3 HPC facility at work,
[email protected]:~$ free -m
total used free shared buffers cached
Mem: 16054 415 15639 0 82 125
-/+ buffers/cache: 207 15847
Swap: 0 0 0

As you can see not even using 512MB out of the 16GB of RAM it has. The load average is similarly very low given it has 16 cores of 64bit MIPS goodness.
[email protected]:~$ uptime
09:22:48 up 306 days, 18:53, 1 user, load average: 2.84, 3.34, 3.52

For the vast majority of people the optimum placement of access points in their home is impossible with a combined router. In my house for example indoors I can get away with a single access point because it is ceiling mounted which allows me to place it in the radiographic centre of the house. If it was not ceiling mounted it would be in the middle of the floor, and then would not reach the second floor anyway. As I said before my access point and router don't take up any space that would otherwise be considered usable in my house.

You are clearly lucky in your situation however that does not make for good advice in general. I would also say most people would not be happy with such a huge monstrosity in their living room, and it is certainly not child friendly either. I am not sure it is teenager friendly either. I would want to have my router behind a locked cupboard and access points out of physical reach.

In general one or more UniFi AC LR's for example are a much better recommendation. I will also be getting security updates long after your consumer device has been hung out to dry by the manufacture too. Something I consider very important.
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That is the theory, in practice not aware of anyone actually ordering

In theory the £500 setup fee (much more than standard GPON) is meant to contribute to costs of XGPON kit

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I would agree with this - when I switched to a unifi access point I was able to decommission 2 extensions and stop using the wifi from the main router altogether. It's all in the placement and having power over the cat 6 cable means I can place the access point in the most sensible place without worrying about power cables.

I don't actually have it ceiling mounted as it is not our property to punch holes in the ceiling of but it is on a high shelf near the dead centre of the house and provides reliable coverage throughout.

It's worth adding that it also never drops the wifi to random devices (particularly iPads) which the previous 6 combined routers all did regularly requiring a router reboot to get them active again.
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I try to explain stuff and confuse the hell out of people yet its clear in my head.

Paul


hahahhaha i do the same. The biggest problem in describing this is that the wording at first glance makes sense, but then you think about it and then you realise its wrong because of x or y reason; and you say this out aloud - people then get completely confused except yourself.
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The only difference I can see for the end user would be a different ONT (due to its wavelength filter, although the manufacturer could start making a switchable version) and a parallel 10G OLT at the exchange.


I thought with XG-PON, you didn't need a new ONT, than the existing 1 or 4 port ont, because then everyone else who is on the same signal [insert better wording] would also need a new ONT.
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In reply to a post by PaulKirby:
I try to explain stuff and confuse the hell out of people yet its clear in my head.

Paul


hahahhaha i do the same. The biggest problem in describing this is that the wording at first glance makes sense, but then you think about it and then you realise its wrong because of x or y reason; and you say this out aloud - people then get completely confused except yourself.

The next stage is when you confuse yourself as well, believe me it happens!
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I didnít call them LAN ports


Indeed, I was replying to baby_frogmella who did. Sorry for the confusion.
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I thought with XG-PON, you didn't need a new ONT, than the existing 1 or 4 port ont, because then everyone else who is on the same signal [insert better wording] would also need a new ONT.
No that's not my understanding (I may be wrong so don't shoot me), the wavelength division multiplexing technology in the exchange allows both 2.4G and 10G to go down the same fibre and the wavelength filter in the ONT will then filter out either 2.4G or 10G. This means individual end users on the same fibre can be configured to use 2.4G or 10G .

Edited by dect (Tue 29-Jan-19 12:09:14)

Standard User candlerb
(committed) Tue 29-Jan-19 12:09:25
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In reply to a post by dect:
The only difference I can see for the end user would be a different ONT (due to its wavelength filter, although the manufacturer could start making a switchable version) and a parallel 10G OLT at the exchange.


I thought with XG-PON, you didn't need a new ONT, than the existing 1 or 4 port ont, because then everyone else who is on the same signal [insert better wording] would also need a new ONT.


You are vehemently agreeing with each other smile

GPON and XGPON use different wavelengths, so they can sit side-by-side on the same fibre/splitter and not interfere with each other. If at the head-end you have an OLT which supports both GPON and XGPON (or two OLTs passively combined onto the same fibre), you can support a mix of subscribers with both types of ONT.

The only end users who would need to upgrade to a new ONT would be the ones who want to pay for the faster services. Those who are happy with GPON speeds remain as they are.

The reason for not deploying XGPON to everyone today is simply that the kit is more expensive at both ends, and is bound to get much cheaper over time. It's a bad investment to buy it today if you don't actually need the extra speed right now.

Edited by candlerb (Tue 29-Jan-19 12:51:32)

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The demo done a couple of years ago was in a live area, with just one customer using the XGPON kit and nothing changed for the other GPON users.

One of the reasons for going to XGPON is not really the 1 Gbps service, since lots of the world already sell Gigabit over just GPON but the next step into the 3, 4, 5 Gbps services.

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Standard User Zarjaz
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Tue 29-Jan-19 13:18:53
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The next stage is when you confuse yourself as well, believe me it happens!


Hell yeah !

{though your post appears to be missing an Ďshí towards the end}

Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Tue 29-Jan-19 13:57:33
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For the vast majority of people the optimum placement of access points in their home is impossible with a combined router.

How do you know this? Have you personally visited every home to see where folks keep their router? Or perhaps you've done a YouGov survey on this? Please do share your source.

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:
I would also say most people would not be happy with such a huge monstrosity in their living room

Again how do you know this? Perhaps you're assuming everyone thinks like you?

In reply to a post by jabuzzard:
In general one or more UniFi AC LR's for example are a much better recommendation.

Why on God's earth would I use a 2x2 stream wifi access point (UniFi AC LR) when my current setup gives me 3 radios, each on 4x4 streams enclosed in a single "ugly" box which reach every nook & cranny of the home with speeds of >250 Mbps? Its a bit like trading in your Mercedes for a Ford Ka. You should really consider what's under the hood of hardware, not just the brand name

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I will also be getting security updates long after your consumer device has been hung out to dry by the manufacture too. Something I consider very important.


Well, I haven't had my home network/router hacked yet so clearly the router software is doing its job. If consumer routers were getting hacked too frequently then I'm sure Tim Higgins on SmallNetBuilder.com would be advising everyone NOT to use a consumer router and instead spend £1000s on commercial grade routers with updates released every 2 mins.

You clearly don't realise/can't accept that people have different setups/requirements wrt hardware. What may work for one person doesn't mean it will work for another. What one person may consider "ugly", another person may think differently.

My main requirement is to have full wifi coverage in my home using the least amount of hardware. Ideally not screwed onto ceilings/walls, except CP equipment such as the Openreach ONT of course. Nothing in my home is connected by ethernet cable - everything is wireless, even the DECT VOIP phones connect by wifi using a plug-in Range Extender as they have ethernet ports only (no wifi built-in).

I want the hardware to easily cope with 40+ wifi devices connected simultaneously, cope with multiple 4K streams and allow me to prioritize bandwidth so that our VOIP phones get the highest priority and Mr Teenager's P2P downloads get the lowest priority. Given my environment - a relatively new 2 storey home with thin walls - I can get away with using a single 4x4 stream, tri-band router (Linksys EA9500v2) connected directly to the ONT. Perhaps if I lived in a larger house with 1 metre thick walls then yes, I would need access points/router but there's no way I would go around sticking access points on ceilings - primarily because i like to upgrade my hardware every few years. I would probably go for a high end wireless mesh system such as the Ubiquiti Amplifi or use another 4x4 router as an access point.

To give you an idea of how well my current setup performs: My work PC is upstairs at the far end of the house, has an Asus PCE-AC88 4x4 wifi card installed and this connects at 2.1 Gbps to the router. Real-world performance is nowhere near that but its close to 1 Gbps which is very good for a wifi connection, ie similar to a wired 1GbE connection. There's no way I would be getting that sort of wifi perfomance with a inferior UniFi AC LR access point. Even Ubiquiti's highest spec wifi access point (UniFi AP HD) only offers link rates of up to 1.7 Gbps on the 5Ghz band and comes with 1 x 5ghz band only.

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Tue 29-Jan-19 14:03:48)

Standard User kitcat
(experienced) Tue 29-Jan-19 14:51:46
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jabuzzard

Mine is deliberately positioned so that children's bedrooms don't get a signal!
Keeps night time ( early morning) browsing to zero and ensure some sleep occurs! WiFi goes off at midnight downstairs as well but teenagers know how to reset the router.
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I recently moved to mobile broadband, using only my phone as a wireless hotspot. My three-bedroom house is steel-framed so not ideal for wifi, but all devices obtain perfectly satisfactory internet connections wherever my phone happens to be within it.

When using ADSLx and then FTTC, similarly with all the routers and modem routers I have possessed, mainly ISP-supplied ones. In the early years of this century it did necessitate careful directional orientation of cheap modem/routers that didn't have external antennae, but that's all.

As you correctly say, all our experiences and needs differ. smile

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Standard User baby_frogmella
(knowledge is power) Fri 01-Feb-19 10:11:41
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In reply to a post by candlerb:
Also, I think it's better not to call them "lan ports". It is true that they *are* RJ45 ethernet, but they don't connect directly to your Local Area Network. The service is delivered as PPPoE, so you connect them to the WAN port of your router (or other device which can terminate a PPPoE session)


Yeah I know Openreach based FTTP lines services require authentication (PPPoE), which I guess means the "LAN" port on the ONT is technically a RJ45 WAN port.


I see Openreach calls the RJ45 ports as LAN1, LAN2 etc on their older (1st gen?) ONT:

https://i.postimg.cc/yYLPvTtW/OLD-ONT.jpg

But the newer 4 port ONT just has PORT1, PORT2 etc:

https://i.postimg.cc/15FmKWfr/NEW-ONT.jpg

FluidOne FTTPoD 330/30 Mbps
Linksys EA9500v2

Edited by baby_frogmella (Fri 01-Feb-19 10:50:45)

Standard User busterboy
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In reply to a post by max360:
I've just done a speed test just now. I'm not even getting half the download speed anymore. Upload speed is okay.

https://www.speedtest.net/result/7991735400
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/15486033593...

Is there issue at the head end or is this congestion on the BT network?


I thought if you paid for the 330/50 package you were guaranteed 330/50 on FTTP.

Please someone correct me if I'm wrong.


This was back in January when you were not getting half what you should be getting at the time.

How has it been since after 10 months of service.?

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Standard User epyon
(fountain of knowledge) Thu 14-Nov-19 15:28:36
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Wow it sure looks a lot different from vodafones (cityfibre) fttp lol.

Vodafone FTTP - 500/500

VOXI - 4G
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