G.fast neighbour verus mine

One of my neighbour got G.fast activated this morning by openreach engineer, thanks for neighbour accepted me to talk to an engineer about G.fast of why is my house only get 114-207 down / 9-29 up and my neighbour getting 324-330 down / 31-50 up by BTw checker.

My neighbour is two next door of mine with same layout footpath, same DP, same exchange and same cabinet as both of us are underground DP telephone cable. Openreach engineer just told neighbour their actually line length is 142m from the cabinet and got max line rate of 427 down and 61 up with both noise margin set at 6dB. The engineer also replaced G.fast master socket.

The engineer are kindly have a quick look at my property and he found 4 master sockets in my house this is the reason I get low estimated G.fast but he told me not to worry because once I ordered G.fast then the engineer will check all these master sockets to find the best higher speed for G.fast and he say I should get 330/50 with no problem as he look up on his kit tool that my cabinet has the same layout as my neighbour.

Four masters in your house, and after all these years of being on the forums too. Shocked I am.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Four masters in your house, and after all these years of being on the forums too. Shocked I am.

[chortle]

That said, I fail to see why four NTE�s would register on any online guesstimator ?

Also, if there actually is 4 NTE�s across the pair, why oh why didn�t it result in a bridge tap fault, giving errors and speed loss on FTTC ?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

4 master sockets in my house

Looks like you are the King of the master sockets

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Four masters in your house, and after all these years of being on the forums too. Shocked I am.

[Snigger]

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

That said, I fail to see why four NTE�s would register on any online guesstimator ?

Also, if there actually is 4 NTE�s across the pair, why oh why didn�t it result in a bridge tap fault, giving errors and speed loss on FTTC ?

Think there is more to this story

There already 4 master sockets in my property when I moving in 2007. There is master socket in the hallway, two bedrooms and one in living room. The FTTC connected to hallway master socket.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

There already 4 master sockets in my property when I moving in 2007. There is master socket in the hallway, two bedrooms and one in living room. The FTTC connected to hallway master socket.

Are you sure he said they were all master sockets?

The hallway master socket only got two wiring connected to live FTTC from BT exchange
https://ibb.co/PcKpMhb

Edited by adslmax (Tue 19-Nov-19 11:41:29)

In reply to a post by dect:

Think there is more to this story

story

noun
1. an account of imaginary or real people and events told for entertainment.
"an adventure story"

Edited by CarlTSpeak (Tue 19-Nov-19 11:42:50)

I�ll not hear of such a thing Carl, Max and Jackanory in the same post ?

Say it ain�t so ....

Actually there are 6 sockets in my house. Four master sockets say label BT Openreach and two master sockets say NTL and Virgin Media.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

Actually there are 6 sockets in my house. Four master sockets say label BT Openreach and two master sockets say NTL and Virgin Media.

If you plug a telephone into all 4 BT Openreach sockets do they all have dial tone?

Edited by deleted (Tue 19-Nov-19 12:08:19)

5 sockets has no dial tone! Only the hallway!

So after all that ... you only have one working socket ... so the story about 4 NTE�s is tosh.

It has/had no effect on your VDSL, and the reason for varying results on a line checker has naff all to do with a number of sockets. Either the Openreach installer fibbed, or you did (again).

In reply to a post by adslmax:

5 sockets has no dial tone! Only the hallway!

OK, so you may have 6 sockets in your home but if only 1 is connected to the BT network the others are irrelevant and have no impact on your broadband service.

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

So after all that ... you only have one working socket ... so the story about 4 NTE�s is tosh.

It has/had no effect on your VDSL, and the reason for varying results on a line checker has naff all to do with a number of sockets. Either the Openreach installer fibbed, or you did (again).

At least you know where to go if there is a global shortage of NTE's

I never order G.fast because I asking BTw to double check the estimate on G.fast because I don't believe my line is 114-207 for download and 9-29 for upload. Should be 324-330 and 31-50.

Here is email from Openreach:

Akash Arya

Fri, 15 Nov, 12:25 (4 days ago)

to me, sifibreenquiriesmop

Hello,

Thanks for getting in touch with us about fibre broadband availability in your area.

Yes you are right as I've checked our records and G.fast speed that you are getting is 114 to 207mbps.

Unfortunately, we are not able to tell you anything except fibre feasibility for your area so if you are facing any issue related to speed you should contact to your service provider who can arrange for an engineer visit to check that there are no faults on the line.

We (fibre enquiry) advise only network fibre availability so that customers can go with their chosen internet service providers, rest work is taken care by your chosen internet service providers.

I hope you're encouraged by my response and will be able to enjoy the benefits that fibre broadband brings.

Kind regards,

Akash

Fibre Enquires Team

Openreach

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I never order G.fast because I asking BTw to double check the estimate on G.fast because I don't believe my line is 114-207 for download and 9-29 for upload. Should be 324-330 and 31-50.

Whether BT's database says 114-207 or 324-330, makes no difference to the actual speed you will achieve if you buy the service. That will depend on the physics of the line; the modems auto-negotiate to the best speed achievable.

If you *genuinely* believe that you know best, and you think the line is capable of 324-330, then simply order it and enjoy the speed. You can't complain for them giving you a faster speed than they promised!

If when it is delivered you get a speed between 114 and 207: then you were wrong and BTe were right. You can't complain for them giving you correct information!

Either way, you have no right to complain.

I have order VM M200 to have 200 Meg down and 20 Meg up and it got black friday deal £30 a month and even better no more FTTC DLM to worry as G.fast do have DLM as well.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I have order VM M200 to have 200 Meg down and 20 Meg up and it got black friday deal £30 a month and even better no more FTTC DLM to worry as G.fast do have DLM as well.

Maybe we could start a sweepstakes for how many days it is before this order is cancelled.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I have order VM M200 to have 200 Meg down and 20 Meg up and it got black friday deal £30 a month and even better no more FTTC DLM to worry as G.fast do have DLM as well.

Maybe we could start a sweepstakes for how many days it is before this order is cancelled.

I was thinking hours.

Surely more a question of whether it has even been ordered?

In reply to a post by adslmax:

even better no more FTTC DLM to worry as G.fast do have DLM as well.

That's true: although with cable networks what you can get instead is extreme congestion, where potentially hundreds of people are using one shared link.

However I have to admit: persuading all your neighbours to buy G.Fast, and then taking VM yourself, is a pretty good way to reduce congestion on your own service

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I have order VM M200 to have 200 Meg down and 20 Meg up and it got black friday deal £30 a month and even better no more FTTC DLM to worry as G.fast do have DLM as well.

Maybe we could start a sweepstakes for how many days it is before this order is cancelled.

If I had the option of VM when FTTC was the only other option I would have snapped them up years ago.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

That's true: although with cable networks what you can get instead is extreme congestion, where potentially hundreds of people are using one shared link.

You have your own gigabit port from DSLAM to OLT at head end, then your own Cablelink from OLT, own link from CP equipment the Cablelink connects to to....? You get the idea.

VM resolved most of their problems a while ago. Must be BT Wholesale's turn on the capacity-a-round again next.

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

In reply to a post by candlerb:

That's true: although with cable networks what you can get instead is extreme congestion, where potentially hundreds of people are using one shared link.

You have your own gigabit port from DSLAM to OLT at head end, then your own Cablelink from OLT, own link from CP equipment the Cablelink connects to to....? You get the idea.

VM resolved most of their problems a while ago. Must be BT Wholesale's turn on the capacity-a-round again next.

Hi Carl

Are you saying you believe VM backhaul is less congested than Openreach FTTP backhaul.

In reply to a post by dect:

Hi Carl

Are you saying you believe VM backhaul is less congested than Openreach FTTP backhaul.

I didn't say anything about backhaul being congested at all.

Edited by CarlTSpeak (Tue 19-Nov-19 23:19:34)

In reply to a post by CarlTSpeak:

You have your own gigabit port from DSLAM to OLT at head end, then your own Cablelink from OLT, own link from CP equipment the Cablelink connects to to....?

I'm on FTTP, and I know that the GPON 2.4G down and 1.2G up is shared between no more than 32 users. For FTTC, OR has a good incentive to keep the DSLAM uplink uncongested, since it charges its customers for interconnect bandwidth.

With DOCSIS3.0 I believe it's 1.2G down and 200M up, shared by an indeterminate number. I do know several people who have experienced extreme congestion on VM, like getting well under 10M download at peak times.

As for cablelink and further up, backhaul is backhaul: it could be under-provisioned or over-provisioned in VM's network or anyone else's network. But at least with an OR-based service I have the option of switching to another ISP who has better capacity.

For a guy who as been banging on about how bad G.fast is to hear you was going to sign up for it, even encouraging your neighbours to do so, seems a very odd.

For you to even be able to get G.fast your VDSL connection must be at the upper end of the upto 80Mbps range, which is pretty good.

The disappointment of G.fast comes from the quality of copper line, which will be different for everyone. That is if you're one of the few that are within range of the service.

How is Virgin in TF7 now? I thought it was massively utilised?

In reply to a post by wolvesmad:

How is Virgin in TF7 now? I thought it was massively utilised?

No Utilised in Telford as they have improved their network upgraded now

Updated forget to let u all know with my previous G.fast installed in my property as the max line are 244/40 so the BTw checker are wrong estimated in the first place with 114-207 down / 9-29 up.

here is my g.fast stats last year.

https://i.ibb.co/mT1rbCy/gfast.png

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Four masters in your house, and after all these years of being on the forums too. Shocked I am.

YOU CANNOT MAKE IT UP SOMETIMES, BUT AT LEAST MAX ADMITS TO HIS FOLLY

I do miss those great speed from G.fast 244/40 pretty good from 80/20 to 244/40.