new telegraph pole installed out side house

hi all, ok so i woke up this morning and a new telegraph pole has been put up outside my house, i asked the workers why it was being put up and they said they are not sure why, but their company are putting fibre into my town, now i live on an old estate and never had a pole outside my house, got one at end of block which feeds my house, so do i get my hopes up for fttp or not, i am on the winsford exchange, any ideas

Which company?

morrison i think

This article suggests it's Openreach FTTP:
https://www.cheshire-live.co.uk/news/chester-cheshir...

Winsford is also on the Openreach Fibre First "market towns and villages" list:
https://www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/open...

Edited by candlerb (Sat 18-Apr-20 17:53:24)

Is there a notice on the pole?

no m8, no notice.

In reply to a post by nalla:

hi all, ok so i woke up this morning and a new telegraph pole has been put up outside my house ….

Sounds hopeful.

And certainly better than finding it put up inside your house.

In reply to a post by nalla:

no m8, no notice.

It’ll say BT on the side of the pole if it’s an Openreach pole.

Have a look at the side a few metres up and you’ll see some carvings. It’ll be Openreach though.

Take a picture of the markings and put a link on here, I’ll happily decipher for you.

If it is new, and not replacing another in exactly the same location, then a notice MUST be fixed to it that tells people how they can object to the installation within 30 days. BT can install poles wherever they wish without up front planning permission or authority however, if objections are raised it will then be reviewed.

Bt
9m
20
21

No notice on at all other than the above cut into the wood

ok so i had another look and the is tape around the street lamp next to the post, it looks like someone has ripped the notice off, but there is a notice on the next block to me and it say fttp on the notice.

Edited by deleted (Mon 20-Apr-20 17:24:52)

Or like this: https://i.pinimg.com/236x/03/03/4b/03034b43e0ece76ba...

Cheers!

ok so there were notices up on the lamp post next to where the new pole is, and as they put up new poles they are taking down the notices, they have been back today and put a load more poles up down the street, the one notice did say fttp install, so its just a waiting game now as to how long it takes to install the actual fibre.

In reply to a post by nalla:

Bt
9m
20
21

No notice on at all other than the above cut into the wood

ok so i had another look and the is tape around the street lamp next to the post, it looks like someone has ripped the notice off, but there is a notice on the next block to me and it say fttp on the notice.

So obviously as expected it’s an Openreach pole (BT Group still own the physical network), 9 is the height, M means it’s a medium girth, 20 is the year, and 2I is the supplier of the pole.

More importantly where is the "Datum Line" or "Doby" mark a horizontal line occasionally with a Caret mark below? It should be 3m from the based of the pole and is confirmation that it is correctly installed.

A few years back, one contractor, no longer working for BT or OR, was cutting a large section off the bottom before installing them too shallow and got found out.

Not quite, 2I would mean supplier 2 and Imported timber I

Ok, but I was close enough! I’ve never actually seen anything other than I after the number anyway.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by nalla:

hi all, ok so i woke up this morning and a new telegraph pole has been put up outside my house ….

Sounds hopeful.

And certainly better than finding it put up inside your house.

didn't Les Dawson tell that joke back in 1983 ??

In reply to a post by KelvinBridge:

didn't Les Dawson tell that joke back in 1983 ??

I wouldn't know. I decided long before then that he wasn't much use as a stand-up comedian.

I never did have any delusions about my potential in that respect, but I can claim to being able to make reasonably good one-off situational jokes in real life. As well as the occasional howler.

Take your pick of where this particular one fits .

so generally how long would it take from poles going up to fibre being put in, are there timescales or is it a guessing game.

Have you never seen: www.openreach.com/content/dam/openreach/openreach-dam-files/images/help-and-support/damage-health-and-safety/identifying_our_equipment_guide.pdf

In reply to a post by nalla:

so generally how long would it take from poles going up to fibre being put in, are there timescales or is it a guessing game.

its a guessing game

well bv communications came on Monday and put boxes on the poles and ran cable between all the poles and 3 bt vans were at the end of my street for several hours Tuesday morning so hoping it will be sooner rather than later.

In reply to a post by MHC:

BT can install poles wherever they wish without up front planning permission or authority

Sorry a bit belated but I came across your post while doing some unrelated research for a friend and thought I would ask a question (or two)

When you say anywhere what about roadside verges that are not owned by the local authority? would they need a wayleave/easement/consent beforehand to erect a pole?

I believe that in some cases they can, but in most they will need the agreement.

In some cases there is an assumption that verges are "public land" which may not always be the case and BT only find out after

In reply to a post by MHC:

I believe that in some cases they can, but in most they will need the agreement.

In some cases there is an assumption that verges are "public land" which may not always be the case and BT only find out after

Appreciate your response

Yes-Openreach have a wayleave team that will obtain an agreement from the landowner.

So 21st century tech is being implemented in a 19th century way.
Odd
I thought all services had to come underground these days?

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Yes-Openreach have a wayleave team that will obtain an agreement from the landowner.

I wonder if an additional wayleave would be needed if one was already in place with BT for other BT equipment already on the verge

Edit: Do we think the wayleave makes reference to the specific equipment or the fact that some BT equipment will be sited.

Edited by deleted (Thu 11-Jun-20 12:14:25)

Why is it a 19th century way? Overhead is still an appropriate method of getting service to specific locations.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

Yes-Openreach have a wayleave team that will obtain an agreement from the landowner.

I wonder if an additional wayleave would be needed if one was already in place with BT for other BT equipment already on the verge

Depends on the agreement. If its for certain amount of equipment and fttp furniture would mean its in breach they'd need a new updated one

In reply to a post by Bazzaar:

So 21st century tech is being implemented in a 19th century way.
Odd
I thought all services had to come underground these days?

Because they are allowed to, and I think if you saw the cost difference as a private company you’d do the same. Openreach aren’t a charity, they will do things in the most cost effective way. The good news is (in my opinion, and I don’t work for a Openreach) the components being used for the FTTP build itself are of a very high quality. Money well spent in that respect.

You’d have them spend that money digging it all underground instead, but there’s not an unlimited pot of money.

In reply to a post by Icaras:

if you saw the cost difference as a private company you’d do the same.

As you say the cost difference is huge

1 pole roughly £600
1 metre of ducting dug in a main road £100+

well bt were working further up the street yesterday, so i spoke to a guy about it, he reckons a couple of weeks and ill be able to order which is good news, he said he would get me a leaflet but told me that it would be 300 mbps capable, so i said thought fttp was now 1000 mbps he said no, which was weird, anyway i got the leaflet and took it home, read it when i got home and it states on the leaflet 1000 mbps, hmm anyway well see son.

so much flexing from the resident sages!
see this behaviour on most forums

I'm going to need poles as all cables are buried (armoured lead ins)

Told it will probably happen at later date, my street was skipped for now as they want to do quick work

In reply to a post by Bazzaar:

so much flexing from the resident sages!
see this behaviour on most forums

What does this mean?

In reply to a post by nalla:

well bt were working further up the street yesterday, so i spoke to a guy about it, he reckons a couple of weeks and ill be able to order which is good news, he said he would get me a leaflet but told me that it would be 300 mbps capable, so i said thought fttp was now 1000 mbps he said no, which was weird, anyway i got the leaflet and took it home, read it when i got home and it states on the leaflet 1000 mbps, hmm anyway well see son.

1000Mbps depends on the exchange. I've had fibre for about 8 months but still don't have 1Gbps available, max is 300Mbps.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

if you saw the cost difference as a private company you’d do the same.

As you say the cost difference is huge

1 pole roughly £600
1 metre of ducting dug in a main road £100+

If it were cheaper Openreach would be be burying the cables instead, they’ll just do whatever is cheapest. That one pole can serve a lot of houses, whereas you’d need a duct to every house.

In reply to a post by Icaras:

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Icaras:

if you saw the cost difference as a private company you’d do the same.

As you say the cost difference is huge

1 pole roughly £600
1 metre of ducting dug in a main road £100+

If it were cheaper Openreach would be be burying the cables instead, they’ll just do whatever is cheapest. That one pole can serve a lot of houses, whereas you’d need a duct to every house.

I am pretty sure Dect was agreeing with you.

Although Openreach should be using a little bit more sense than just inital outlay. They shoud be factoring in maintenance, damage, accessibility, extreme weather, health and safety etc. Over the years the cheaper outlay could easily be overtaken by underground

From a personal level I don't want to see poles anywhere near my aready ugly newish estate, really hope they don't decide the stick them up around where I live. Also, again from a personal rather than business perspective think that where possible all cables should be burried, be that power or phone.

In reply to a post by gary333:

I am pretty sure Dect was agreeing with you.

I was

Initially I thought dect was agreeing with me (edit-seems so) but the post from Bazzaar made me unsure!

Anyway moving on, I’m not convinced the argument could be made that it’s cheaper long terms to bury that last section fibre from connectorised DP to the house. I remember in the training for it we had normal Openreach overhead copper cable and the new overhead connectorised hybrid copper/fibre cable. I was whacking it with a hammer and twisting it in all sorts of ways and simply could not change the amount of light getting through the fibre part of the new cable. It’s very high quality stuff.

That’s anecdotal mind, I could well be wrong.

Edited by deleted (Wed 17-Jun-20 09:51:29)