In reply to a post by Fastman3:

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I really don't want to start something if the answer is going to be a couple of grand.

How will you know if you don't try????

hmmm

interesting view point

Is it? I thought my response was common sense.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

And equally, if you apply for a CFP and provide a list of people who would take FTTP if it were available, Openreach might turn it into a "demand-led" scheme and/or add it to their existing rollout you have found.

You have to be in it to win it.

Does there not have to be vouchers available for OpenReach to make it a demand led CFP?

I thought the point of demand led CFP was OpenReach take the risk that enough vouchers would be claimed to cover the community contribution.

There's no vouchers to claim if it isn't rural and everyone already receives very good FTTC speeds.

Edit: https://www.openreach.com/RGC

Edited by j0hn83 (Thu 21-Jan-21 11:57:30)

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

I thought the point of demand led CFP was OpenReach take the risk that enough vouchers would be claimed to cover the community contribution.

I have seen several posts about demand led and OR taking a risk but I am confused where the risk is as I thought the CFP didn't progress without enough vouchers being pledged so to add 30% uplift for a bit of marketing is taking the [censored] if I understand it correctly.

Edit: Thought about this again and I think the risk is if the property owners don't meet the criteria of the voucher scheme after the infrastructure is installed so the vouchers become invalid.

Edited by deleted (Thu 21-Jan-21 12:11:48)

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

There's no vouchers to claim if it isn't rural and everyone already receives very good FTTC speeds.

This is where I'm stuck. Not rural so no vouchers. Very good FTTC speeds? I'm on 39Mbps. Depends on your definition, or maybe HMG's* but it's not even good for what we need according to me!

* His/Her Majesties Government, for those - like me - who don't know all the TLAs.

I'm currently going through the CFP process, originally targetted 10 properties in my postcode only (all rural, below 30Mbps). OR expanded the project to cover 58 properties with the additional 48 ish already receving 40-60Mbps+.

The cost came back as £44k but OR said this would be demand led and the target was set at £58k.

We've just got to the stage where we can register on the OR website and pledge vouchers. So far, I have 5 residents in my postcode that have registered. As we're in Kent we can access the £7k vouchers - So with these vouchers we're already at 59%. I've still got to let the other 5 residents know that they can now register (they're aware of the project) but I'm hoping another 3 will register which will cover the bulk of the cost.

The only issue now is that our REM has advised that the £7k voucher fund (KCC top up) is running low. If this does run out or does not get extended then it is likely this project will be abandoned as I don't fancy the chances of getting pretty much all the residents registered (especially when a large portion of the village already has decent speeds available).

With regards to the 'Risk' part with demand led, AIUI, as there's no contract in place some residents may decide not to take the service when the infrastructure is in place, therefore OR foots the bill - that's why there's a 30% increase in build costs for demand led projects.

I have had a reply today for my CFP for our area of Market Harborough which is not part of Openreach's commercial plans.

We had 64 houses that showed an interest and these were logged with them, But in the quote Openreach want to enable FTTP for all 115 houses plus 15 commercial premises this quote has come to £39,000 so works out around £368 per property.

This seemed a bit high to me as we are a 2017 built area with full ducting and are 230metres from the main aggregation node, Which Openreach are currently adding fibre to another estate over the road from us as part of commercial plans
As we live in a town I do not think that we can get any grants or vouchers even though we no other alternative suppliers in our estate and most peoples broadband is around 40-55Mbps due to the cabinet being put right at the edge some 100 metres from the nearest house .

Myself and others are going to try to put a package together to see if we can raise this money and are hopeful that maybe a couple of residents who are business owners will contribute larger amounts as they had previously asked about FTTPOD

Edited by flagrag28 (Thu 21-Jan-21 18:23:15)

Well at the risk of getting shot down (again). I'd say you've got a bargain and should grab it with both hands and run!

(Coming from FTTP on Demand land here.....).........

In reply to a post by flagrag28:

We had 64 houses that showed an interest and these were logged with them, But in the quote Openreach want to enable FTTP for all 115 houses plus 15 commercial premises this quote has come to £39,000 so works out around £368 per property.

Focusing just on the price per property its a good price.

In an ideal world every property would pay £368 but realistically not every property will or be able to contribute so it will certainly be more than that in the end, BUT by how much???

Dect- This is the issue that we are going to face that not every household is going to want to pay £300+ to get FTTP I have also contacted Three of the commercial properties that Openreach included but they are not interested as they already have their own 1Gbps dedicated leased lines installed.

So I think that we may have to look at the cost being spread by 50 hoses which then makes it around £750 per house. This is of course unless a couple of residents whom had looked into FTTPOD would be prepared to cover say 10k each this would bring the price down and they would still be saving 20k each on the quotes that they have been given.

There was a little annoyance last night on our residents Zoom call and it took a lot of explaining on why Openreach are installing FTTP to the estate opposite fed from same aggregation node as part of a commercial rollout but they want us to pay 39k towards it

I often hear "why them and not us" but its a commercial decision by Openreach so what can you say or do.

I can't see those two properties who have already enquired into FTTPoD stumping up £10k each and to be honest I don't think it would be fair expecting them to do it. The problem is all 115 houses plus 15 commercial premises will get FTTP enabled regardless of who ultimately pays the money. I think if you can get 50% to pay around £700 you will have done well.

Edit: Make sure you know about any VAT liability as I have heard some say they had to pay VAT on top although my personal experiences there was no VAT required.

Edited by deleted (Fri 22-Jan-21 11:03:03)