CFP eligibility check page

Can someone remind me of the page where you can check you postcode's eligibility for Community Fibre Partnership 'vouchers'. Bonus points for suggesting the 'new' scheme page. Ta!

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

Can someone remind me of the page where you can check you postcode's eligibility for Community Fibre Partnership 'vouchers'. Bonus points for suggesting the 'new' scheme page. Ta!

The new voucher scheme doesn't launch until the 8th April.

will also need to check via openreach checker to see if you are a in forthcoming rural build or in one of the exchanges recently announced by Openreach - you can only use CFP where you are not in a programme that in the near to middle future

In reply to a post by Fastman3:

will also need to check via openreach checker to see if you are a in forthcoming rural build or in one of the exchanges recently announced by Openreach - you can only use CFP where you are not in a programme that in the near to middle future

I thought this too but a village I know has just raised nearly £400k of vouchers for a CFP and if you dig they were already in scope for fttp via a commercial Openreach rollout.

In reply to a post by dect:

The new voucher scheme doesn't launch until the 8th April.

Maybe so but there's a page - somewhere...

In reply to a post by Fastman3:

will also need to check via openreach checker to see if you are a in forthcoming rural build or in one of the exchanges recently announced by Openreach - you can only use CFP where you are not in a programme that in the near to middle future

My exchange is Fibre First. Openreach are telling me to organise a CFP and claim vouchers. I know I can't do that because I'm in an urban area but I'd like to prove it.

This it?

https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/community-...

Yah - Pheasant is right it's this link:https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/community-fibre-partnerships

This is the general scheme from Openreach which then depending on your area will mean you may be eligble for voucher funding from the new DCMS scheme or will have to raise money within the community.

Note that the new scheme will only work in areas classified by OFCOM and DCMS as Region 3 and above.

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

Yah - Pheasant is right it's this link:https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/community-fibre-partnerships

No quite. All I can do there is find out I have FTTC. I can't follow any links to tell me whether or not I can apply for a voucher. I've defiantly checked before (I can't). So maybe the page is down until the new scheme come into place.

So to be clear, its a page which checks your postcode and tells you if you're in an OFCOM Region where you can apply for a voucher.

Maybe I'll look again next week but I'd hoped to reply this.

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I've defiantly checked before (I can't). So maybe the page is down until the new scheme come into place.

Linky

Edit: Above is the Government site that would previously say if you was eligible for a Gigabit Voucher.

Edited by deleted (Sat 03-Apr-21 15:04:55)

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

Yah - Pheasant is right it's this link:https://www.openreach.com/fibre-broadband/community-fibre-partnerships

No quite. All I can do there is find out I have FTTC. I can't follow any links to tell me whether or not I can apply for a voucher. I've defiantly checked before (I can't). So maybe the page is down until the new scheme come into place.

So to be clear, its a page which checks your postcode and tells you if you're in an OFCOM Region where you can apply for a voucher.

Maybe I'll look again next week but I'd hoped to reply this.

Sorry Woolwich - I misread the question.

The link here from dect: https://gigabitvoucher.culture.gov.uk/ is where you'll be able to find out from later next week if you are eligible for the new vouchers. Once this launches, and if you confirm you're area is eligible, you can go back onto the OR Site and apply for a CFP (OR will then identify this as a voucher eligible scheme)

OK, I'll wait a week.

Meanwhile, nobody would run a CFP without vouchers, would they?

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I'll wait a week.

Do you know if you're in an OFCOM postcode 2 or 3 area?

In reply to a post by dect:

Do you know if you're in an OFCOM postcode 2 or 3 area?

Urban area, very large city. Is that 1 or 3? Either way I know we're not eligible and pretty sure weren't under the old scheme.

But Openreach say we should set up a scheme and get vouchers.

In reply to a post by slimj:

I added it to ISPReview, you can find it in this post here

Check if your post code area is in the text file via the link in this post

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

Meanwhile, nobody would run a CFP without vouchers, would they?

Why not - if the price is low enough (which it may be in an urban area with fibre nearby), and if the number of participants prepared to share the cost is large enough.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

Meanwhile, nobody would run a CFP without vouchers, would they?

Why not - if the price is low enough (which it may be in an urban area with fibre nearby), and if the number of participants prepared to share the cost is large enough.

To give you all some context - the quote i received from Openreach is as follows:
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On receipt of the required amount of voucher pledges and validated voucher codes, Openreach will deliver a fibre-to-the-premise (FTTP) infrastructure - which has the capability to give download speeds of up to 1 Gbps.
The cost to bring fibre to this project community is £
Core community – 116 Premises Initial Estimate – £58886
Cost Per Premise – £507.64


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Obviously, the more properties, the lower the cost! Our CFP is progressing nicely with vouchers, but if you can't have them, this is much cheaper than FTTPoD haha

Is £58886 the target for how many vouchers you need to get pledged?

£507.64 per property passed is in the ballpark for a commercial rollout - so at first this sounds like a bit of a wheeze to get government money.

OTOH, maybe the build cost is substantially higher than this, and Openreach has already factored in their commercial contribution.

Much like the "FTTPoD Cost Tracker", a "CFP Tracker" would be very useful intel. Cost per property for CFP is obviously a fraction of oD, especially since the oD price hikes.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

Is £58886 the target for how many vouchers you need to get pledged?

£507.64 per property passed is in the ballpark for a commercial rollout - so at first this sounds like a bit of a wheeze to get government money.

OTOH, maybe the build cost is substantially higher than this, and Openreach has already factored in their commercial contribution.

Correct, so this value is what we need as a community to find - i have no idea what the total cost of the project is but OR do mention that they fund some of it. We are in a rural area, but some of the properties (of the 116) i would argue are more commerically viable.


Through this co-funded approach, we’ll cover all costs for this project that fall within our own commercial threshold. This means that the figures estimated below represent the remaining cost that your community would need to contribute to enable us to deliver an FTTP network.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by slimj:

I added it to ISPReview, you can find it in this post here

Check if your post code area is in the text file via the link in this post

Thanks, Two. Which means, as I understand, there are no vouchers available for my post code (as of next week, unless you were already in a scheme).
I'm surprised not to be in a One area. There are none on that list...

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

Meanwhile, nobody would run a CFP without vouchers, would they?

The cost to bring fibre to this project community is £
Core community – 116 Premises Initial Estimate – £58886
Cost Per Premise – £507.64


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Obviously, the more properties, the lower the cost! Our CFP is progressing nicely with vouchers, but if you can't have them, this is much cheaper than FTTPoD haha

Are you saying each property had to pay £507 after claiming the voucher, or the money was covered by the voucher scheme?

I asked why would anyone run a CFP without vouchers. Because getting 116 houses to cough up over £500 is going to be a hard sell. If its 'free' and all you have to do is get them to sign up, a bit easier.

I know I'm in area 2, so no vouchers. There's a similar number of houses. People moan about their "wifi", but they also want to save 50p a quarter on their communal gardening bill. They're not going to pay for a CFP no matter how much I need a better connection!

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

I'm surprised not to be in a One area. There are none on that list...

That's because there are none.

In competitive areas (referred to as Area 1 in our analysis) where there is established competition, we will not regulate Openreach’s broadband products. We have not identified any such areas at this stage but expect to do so in the future.

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0022/216085/wftmr-statement-volume-1-overview.pdf

hmm so if that is the case the vouchers probably wont be paid (especially if that is still in deliver and that area had already advised if was being built) 100% should not happen (only if the programme was cancelled or pulled woud you be able to do that)

whitehall if you urban and you not in an area to claim thats your only option - what do you think - happended before vouchers then

In reply to a post by Fastman3:

whitehall if you urban and you not in an area to claim thats your only option - what do you think - happended before vouchers then

Not sure i quite follow your issue?

The CFP Scheme is directly with Openreach who want to partner with communities who are not yet on their commercial roll out, and is a great way for large villages and small communities to get FTTP brought in at a lower cost that it would be if a small group or individuals wanted the service.

At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc, but allowing you to get access to FTTP Native from Openreach sooner or at all (if not on commercial plans)

If i take my example, £59k split between 116 properties roughly comes out at £500 per house / business, and that's just rough averaging maths, you don't need every house to cough up, but you need to find the cash. This could be through vouchers (in my case from the DCMS), local government funding, parish councils or general fundraising. It's no different from any other local community infastrucutre project, i.e. a village hall, someones got to pay for it and if a community really wants it, they will pay.

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc

I don't believe a CFP's is a glorified FTTPoD as Openreach contribute towards a CFP and the community pays the gap between the Openreach contribution and the actual cost whereas FTTPoD you foot the entity cost minus the cost for any properties Openreach enable along the way.

In reply to a post by dect:

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc

I don't believe a CFP's is a glorified FTTPoD as Openreach contribute towards a CFP and the community pays the gap between the Openreach contribution and the actual cost whereas FTTPoD you foot the entity cost minus the cost for any properties Openreach enable along the way.

I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

If we then scale that up to a CFP of 116 houses - that's £100 x 116 = £11,600

I think it comes down to how much Openreach want to expand into a certain area and how much they want the business!

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

It's nowhere near equivalent.

OpenReach pay half a CFP.
OpenReach make a £100 per property passed discount on FTTPoD.

Most FTTPoD orders have half a dozen to a dozen properties passed, and most orders are over £8k.

The reduction for properties passed is usually under 10% of the final bill for FTTPoD.
I've never seen it come anywhere close to the 50% OpenReach pay on a CFP.

That's just the build costs, before you factor in the huge increase in the 1st years rental on FTTPoD.

In reply to a post by j0hn83:

In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

It's nowhere near equivalent.

OpenReach pay half a CFP.
OpenReach make a £100 per property passed discount on FTTPoD.

Most FTTPoD orders have half a dozen to a dozen properties passed, and most orders are over £8k.

The reduction for properties passed is usually under 10% of the final bill for FTTPoD.
I've never seen it come anywhere close to the 50% OpenReach pay on a CFP.

That's just the build costs, before you factor in the huge increase in the 1st years rental on FTTPoD.

Thanks John - When / If i get the chance to speak to the CFP Manager i'll ask him if he can give us an indicative cost of how much our CFP cost OR and report back so we can compare

In reply to a post by Woolwich:

OK, I'll wait a week.

The Government Voucher site is up and running with the new criteria

Whitehall CFP is nothing like a gloried FOD -- Disinfomation of the highest order (FYI FOD is 99.99999% usually the wrong answer to the wrong question

In reply to a post by dect:

The Government Voucher site is up and running with the new criteria

"This address is not eligible for a voucher

Your address is classified as urban. The voucher scheme operates in rural areas only. "

In reply to a post by Fastman3:

Whitehall CFP is nothing like a gloried FOD -- Disinfomation of the highest order (FYI FOD is 99.99999% usually the wrong answer to the wrong question

You should be directing your post at Whitehall11, I said the same thing in my post as you have.