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I added it to ISPReview, you can find it in this post here

Check if your post code area is in the text file via the link in this post

Thanks, Two. Which means, as I understand, there are no vouchers available for my post code (as of next week, unless you were already in a scheme).
I'm surprised not to be in a One area. There are none on that list...

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Meanwhile, nobody would run a CFP without vouchers, would they?

The cost to bring fibre to this project community is £
Core community – 116 Premises Initial Estimate – £58886
Cost Per Premise – £507.64


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Obviously, the more properties, the lower the cost! Our CFP is progressing nicely with vouchers, but if you can't have them, this is much cheaper than FTTPoD haha

Are you saying each property had to pay £507 after claiming the voucher, or the money was covered by the voucher scheme?

I asked why would anyone run a CFP without vouchers. Because getting 116 houses to cough up over £500 is going to be a hard sell. If its 'free' and all you have to do is get them to sign up, a bit easier.

I know I'm in area 2, so no vouchers. There's a similar number of houses. People moan about their "wifi", but they also want to save 50p a quarter on their communal gardening bill. They're not going to pay for a CFP no matter how much I need a better connection!

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I'm surprised not to be in a One area. There are none on that list...

That's because there are none.

In competitive areas (referred to as Area 1 in our analysis) where there is established competition, we will not regulate Openreach’s broadband products. We have not identified any such areas at this stage but expect to do so in the future.

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0022/216085/wftmr-statement-volume-1-overview.pdf

hmm so if that is the case the vouchers probably wont be paid (especially if that is still in deliver and that area had already advised if was being built) 100% should not happen (only if the programme was cancelled or pulled woud you be able to do that)

whitehall if you urban and you not in an area to claim thats your only option - what do you think - happended before vouchers then

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whitehall if you urban and you not in an area to claim thats your only option - what do you think - happended before vouchers then

Not sure i quite follow your issue?

The CFP Scheme is directly with Openreach who want to partner with communities who are not yet on their commercial roll out, and is a great way for large villages and small communities to get FTTP brought in at a lower cost that it would be if a small group or individuals wanted the service.

At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc, but allowing you to get access to FTTP Native from Openreach sooner or at all (if not on commercial plans)

If i take my example, £59k split between 116 properties roughly comes out at £500 per house / business, and that's just rough averaging maths, you don't need every house to cough up, but you need to find the cash. This could be through vouchers (in my case from the DCMS), local government funding, parish councils or general fundraising. It's no different from any other local community infastrucutre project, i.e. a village hall, someones got to pay for it and if a community really wants it, they will pay.

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At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc

I don't believe a CFP's is a glorified FTTPoD as Openreach contribute towards a CFP and the community pays the gap between the Openreach contribution and the actual cost whereas FTTPoD you foot the entity cost minus the cost for any properties Openreach enable along the way.

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At the end of the day, CFP's are just glorified FTTPoD but without the 12 month contract with the likes of cerebus etc

I don't believe a CFP's is a glorified FTTPoD as Openreach contribute towards a CFP and the community pays the gap between the Openreach contribution and the actual cost whereas FTTPoD you foot the entity cost minus the cost for any properties Openreach enable along the way.

I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

If we then scale that up to a CFP of 116 houses - that's £100 x 116 = £11,600

I think it comes down to how much Openreach want to expand into a certain area and how much they want the business!

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I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

It's nowhere near equivalent.

OpenReach pay half a CFP.
OpenReach make a £100 per property passed discount on FTTPoD.

Most FTTPoD orders have half a dozen to a dozen properties passed, and most orders are over £8k.

The reduction for properties passed is usually under 10% of the final bill for FTTPoD.
I've never seen it come anywhere close to the 50% OpenReach pay on a CFP.

That's just the build costs, before you factor in the huge increase in the 1st years rental on FTTPoD.

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In reply to a post by Whitehall11:

I think the CFP Contribution is equivalent to the 'Per Properties Passed' element of a FTTPoD Order - Say for my FTTPoD Quote of 6 Properties passed, which say gives a rate of £100 per property that is a £600 contribution by openreach.

It's nowhere near equivalent.

OpenReach pay half a CFP.
OpenReach make a £100 per property passed discount on FTTPoD.

Most FTTPoD orders have half a dozen to a dozen properties passed, and most orders are over £8k.

The reduction for properties passed is usually under 10% of the final bill for FTTPoD.
I've never seen it come anywhere close to the 50% OpenReach pay on a CFP.

That's just the build costs, before you factor in the huge increase in the 1st years rental on FTTPoD.

Thanks John - When / If i get the chance to speak to the CFP Manager i'll ask him if he can give us an indicative cost of how much our CFP cost OR and report back so we can compare