Yep, that's the case and it was like that with me as well.

FTTPoD will always show on the BT Wholesale Checker that it is available even if the property and postcode was part of an MDU.

This is why FTTPoD is pretty much impossible to get under MDUs. Because if the wayleave issue wasn't an obstacle, FTTPoD wouldn't be needed at all. Openreach FTTP will happen spontaneously with ease.

The fact that one would want to request FTTPoD in an MDU suggests that wayleave is already an obstacle and paying 10K won't make a difference until the management team grants wayleave.

A similar situation happened in my case where for years I wouldn't get wayleave for Hyperoptic, Openreach FTTP, etc. FTTP was on a plan, reverted and got upgraded to FTTC in October 2019 from a previous EO Line.

Now finally I have wayleave passed by my management company EastendHomes, but this time for CommunityFibre London altnet FTTP. They started installing 2 months ago in my building.

My suggestion for OP, is to wait. FTTP will surely come. I thought it will never happen for me, but it's finally happening. Spending 10K for FTTPoD even if it was possible would prove devastating when Openreach or another altnet FTTP comes and you'll feel money has been wasted.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

FTTPoD will always show on the BT Wholesale Checker that it is available even if the property and postcode was part of an MDU.

That is not true, and we have evidence from this thread to the contrary.

It's certainly possible that some MDUs have been wrongly marked as FTTPoD available in the database. "Wrongly", because Openreach say unequivocally in their documentation:

"Any orders received for MDUs or MOUs will be rejected."

See the document "FTTP on Demand product availability 19 April2021" downloadable from https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/fibre-...

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

This is why FTTPoD is pretty much impossible to get under MDUs.

No it's not. It's because Openreach chose to exclude MDUs from FTTPoD.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Because if the wayleave issue wasn't an obstacle, FTTPoD wouldn't be needed at all.

By that argument, FTTPoD wouldn't be needed at SDUs either.

FTTPoD is for people who want FTTP *now* (well, in a year or so), without having to wait for a normal FTTP rollout to reach their area, and are happy to pay for the privilege.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Spending 10K for FTTPoD even if it was possible would prove devastating when Openreach or another altnet FTTP comes and you'll feel money has been wasted.

That is certainly true.

In reply to a post by candlerb:

That is not true, and we have evidence from this thread to the contrary.

It's certainly possible that some MDUs have been wrongly marked as FTTPoD available in the database. "Wrongly", because Openreach say unequivocally in their documentation:

"Any orders received for MDUs or MOUs will be rejected."

See the document "FTTP on Demand product availability 19 April2021" downloadable from https://www.openreach.co.uk/cpportal/products/fibre-...

I know it will be rejected. What I am saying is that checking here https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL Currently the checker is unavailable at the moment.

But if you have FTTC already, it will misleadingly show WBC FTTP Availability Date Available next to FTTP on Demand.
Like in my old screenshot shown here. It's like that even with the updated checker.
http://i.imgur.com/EXWQxfk.jpg

All the MDU buildings that I've checked here in central London that already have FTTC will show WBC FTTP Availability Date Available next to WBC FTTP on Demand even if we know that such service is impossible to order! That is what confuses so many people.

The checker is just superficially showing FTTPoD availability, even when it is not.

Only in ADSL EO Line without FTTC WBC FTTP on Demand will be absent from the checkers list. Currently the checker is not working, so I can't show you that.

But I can guarantee you that in every checker with FTTC available, it will wrongly show FTTP on Demand Available as well!! I have yet to see a screenshot or a post code where it will not show its availability when FTTC is available, prove me wrong!

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In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

This is why FTTPoD is pretty much impossible to get under MDUs.

No it's not. It's because Openreach chose to exclude MDUs from FTTPoD.

Yes, I know it's excluded. I'm saying theoretically, if it was possible and even if Openreach didn't exclude an MDU, it's highly likely that the customer will not be able to get the wayleave agreement granted individually for their flat only.

The property developer will argue the case, why they would grant wayleave for that customer only if they could do it for the entire building. It will be too much hassle for them to sign wayleave just for one flat separately for every single flat owner that requests FTTPoD.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

But I can guarantee you that in every checker with FTTC available, it will wrongly show FTTP on Demand Available as well!!

You could well be right. If so, it just means they haven't bothered to take MDU availability into account in the database. Similarly, many properties still show FTTPoD 330/50 even though it's really 1000/220 these days.

The guidance does ask service providers to check the property isn't an MDU or MOU before submitting an order. You have to engage with a service provider before ordering FTTPoD anyway.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

What I am saying is that checking here https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL Currently the checker is unavailable at the moment.

The checker is available and working. They have simply blocked your IP.

It will probably work on mobile data for you, unless that's also blocked.

Edited by j0hn83 (Mon 05-Jul-21 22:44:29)

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In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

What I am saying is that checking here https://www.broadbandchecker.btwholesale.com/#/ADSL Currently the checker is unavailable at the moment.

The checker is available and working. They have simply blocked your IP.

It will probably work on mobile data for you, unless that's also blocked.

Why would they block my IP?

It is working now again. It has been like that in the past. Sometimes the checker will not work for a few days and after that it will work again.

I think it is a technical issue. Because other people have reported the same issue in the past when it also coincided with my checker also not working. Next time I'll check from a mobile device when the checker is unavailable.

But anyway, this is what you see in the checker when you have FTTC.

Featured Products Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate (Mbps) Downstream Range (Mbps) Availability Date FTTP Install Process
FTTP on Demand 330 30 -- Available

And if you check a postcode with native FTTP, it shows only this.

Featured Products Downstream Line Rate(Mbps) Upstream Line Rate (Mbps) Downstream Range (Mbps) Availability Date FTTP Install Process
WBC FTTP Up to 1000 Up to 220 -- Available KCI2 Assure

So from my observation FTTPoD is absent from ADSL and Openreach FTTP native in the checker but is present in all areas with FTTC.
It doesn't take into account if your postcode is part of an MDU or SDU. And this is how the OP got confused, like with many other people.

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

Why would they block my IP?

https://forums.thinkbroadband.com/btsupplier/f/46544...

In reply to a post by BLaZiNgSPEED:

I'm saying theoretically, if it was possible and even if Openreach didn't exclude an MDU, it's highly likely that the customer will not be able to get the wayleave agreement granted individually for their flat only.

The property developer will argue the case, why they would grant wayleave for that customer only if they could do it for the entire building. It will be too much hassle for them to sign wayleave just for one flat separately for every single flat owner that requests FTTPoD.

Developers will typically want to strike an overarching deal with provider or an integrator. They are simply interested in the most expedient return on their investment and these post-COVID days especially, FTTP is a desirable and marketable feature on new builds. However they don't want two or three competing providers complicating matters, they just want the "one throat to choke".

Landlords (and property managers) on the other hand.....well they simply want an easy life! Resi property management is far from glamorous! The margins are usually thin and anything that distracts from simply turning the sausage handle is an irritation at best and downright avoidable hassle at worst, in their eyes. There is basically zero incentive to help. They ideally don't want *any* providers making their life hard(er).

Have a look at this interview with Graeme Oxby, CEO of Community Fibre dealing with the London MDU/flat/apartment market. Some interesting take aways...

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2020/09/commun...

Update.. ish.

My brother is trying to find out why the flats were not done.

Does anyone know who he could get in touch with to potentially find out why OR did not install FTTP to the flats?

MDU team can be contacted here

https://openreach.co.uk/fibreformybuilding