ELECTRICITY POLES

Internetty have installed fibre to the home in Wootton,north lincs. However, they were unable to use electricity poles as National Grid will not deal with smaller providers. This has resulted in unneccary digging up of the roads. Openreach can use the poles. This seems to be an unfair competitive advantage which the government should rectify as it pushes up the cost of installs.

As an aside,openreach did not have our village on the list for upgrading to full fibre, but now a competitor is here they have suddenly started installing full fibre. What a surprise !

It is the electricity suppliers who own, maintain, and create the rules over who and what can use their poles.

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This has resulted in unneccary digging up of the roads. ... as it pushes up the cost of installs.

On the flip side though, you haven't had to pay any extra for this, and you now have a service which is less likely to be disrupted by storm damage. Although you might not have any power to use it with

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As an aside,openreach did not have our village on the list for upgrading to full fibre, but now a competitor is here they have suddenly started installing full fibre. What a surprise !

It's understandable. If Openreach deploys FTTP to an area where only Openreach copper exists, they are only taking customers from themselves - there is almost zero return on their investment. But if they deploy where there's an altnet, they reduce the number of customers they lose.

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they were unable to use electricity poles as National Grid will not deal with smaller providers. This has resulted in unneccary digging up of the roads.

Everyone I know would prefer their broadband service undergrounded rather than via poles so I think you are the lucky one

Not sure if that is true as Trooli have an agreement to use electric poles in UK Power Network areas.

Use of electric poles is outside of PIA regulation and up to the electric DNOs and altnet.

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Internetty have installed fibre to the home in Wootton,north lincs. However, they were unable to use electricity poles as National Grid will not deal with smaller providers. This has resulted in unneccary digging up of the roads. Openreach can use the poles. This seems to be an unfair competitive advantage which the government should rectify as it pushes up the cost of installs.

As an aside,openreach did not have our village on the list for upgrading to full fibre, but now a competitor is here they have suddenly started installing full fibre. What a surprise !

It's not National Grid (they do the HV transmission side of things), but rather the local DNO (Distribution Network Operator) like Northern Powergrid or Western Power Distribution, that "own" the low-voltage pole network that would be used. There are I think 6 DNOs that serve different parts of the country.

The Altnet would need to get separate approval /agreement from each of these DNO's to use their infrastructure. Probably not that easy.

Worth bearing in mind that the DNO network will also often include 11KV lines too, which while and order of magnitude lower than the national grid lines, are still rather high risk compared to 240V lines

Yes I think everything up to and including 132 kV is DNO owned. Not that you’d expect an Altnet to be stringing up fibre atop those (hopefully not ⚡️⚡️)

I don't think anybody is putting telecom plant on 11KV stuff any more and what is there is being pro-actively removed.

But can openreach use them to attach fibre?

I'd rather cables be buried, looks nicer but less change of weather brining poles down or a car hitting on.

Next you know Kcom will be out digging up as they are in the area too.

I remember before ADSL was installed in Wootton the campaign for the wireless internet out there.

Not a difficult village for BT to sort surely, the exchange is in reach of most houses there.

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This has resulted in unnecessary digging up of the roads , as it pushes up the cost of installs.

Could be worse. I had to PAY to have a duct cleared.. £420!

Edited by Username26 (Sat 30-Apr-22 13:02:14)

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In reply to a post by 468corp:

This has resulted in unnecessary digging up of the roads , as it pushes up the cost of installs.

Could be worse. I had to PAY to have a duct cleared.. £420!

OR wanted £2,280 to install a new swept tee connection for us. Then they came back for extras which we argued about but eventually relented on.

To add insult to injury, Cadent promptly came along and smashed it up 6 weeks later when the neighbours has a gas leak into the conduits. The entire street was dug up in sections. Happens all the time in London apparently.

Cadent then replaced the entire gas main. More digging. Took me another 12 months to get it all repaired.

[censored]-show.

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Could be worse. I had to PAY to have a duct cleared.. £420!

What were the circumstances behind this charge, please? I deal with these things on a few levels and am wondering why this ended up with an end user?

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This has resulted in unnecessary digging up of the roads , as it pushes up the cost of installs.

Could be worse. I had to PAY to have a duct cleared.. £420!

That is very, very strange. What were the circumstances behind this charge?