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Standard User albany11
(newbie) Tue 07-Jun-22 15:22:07
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Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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The website is not entirely clear. And customer sales seemed to be confused about the bridge mode on the supplied router, which just seems to turn off some of the mesh functionality rather than being a true Wan bridged mode.

It looks like the Genesis (integrated modem and router) kit is no longer used and there is now just a modem with RJ45 Wan port and the service is supplied with a Linksys Velop router. Can I just swap out the Linksys router for my own? Is it PPOE auth or something else?

I'm in Gloucestershire if that helps too. I'm a newbie to the FTTP terminology so forgive me for use of wrong words (perhaps?).😁. DOCSIS Cable and ADSL/VDSL has been my thing until now.
Standard User APTMAN
(committed) Wed 08-Jun-22 21:33:41
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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I do not see why you can not use it.

I am Not with Gigaclear But Trunk Networks !.

From the FTTP ONT I have a RJ45 to my pfsense box, then wired House LAN network and a DMZ LAN for my server.
I use PPOE.

The pfsense box is for Routing and Firewall.

Edited by APTMAN (Wed 08-Jun-22 21:36:18)

Standard User Skie
(newbie) Wed 08-Jun-22 22:26:55
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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Just be aware that if you need to do PPPOE on pfSense, it's single threaded, so make sure you're using something with a lot of single threaded cpu performance to host pfSense. Running it on a less powerful cpu will mean speeds below what you'd expect.

If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.


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Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Wed 08-Jun-22 22:37:33
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.


Bridge mode doesn't "handle" PPPoE: it simply passes it through unchanged.

Conversely: if a device terminates a PPPoE session, then it's a router, not a bridge.
Standard User XGS_Is_On
(regular) Wed 08-Jun-22 23:52:54
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Standard User candlerb
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jun-22 07:38:28
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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In reply to a post by XGS_Is_On:
In reply to a post by candlerb:
In reply to a post by Skie:
If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.


Bridge mode doesn't "handle" PPPoE: it simply passes it through unchanged.

Conversely: if a device terminates a PPPoE session, then it's a router, not a bridge.


A device that purely terminates the PPPoE, strips the PPP headers and hands Ethernet off is behaving as a bridge.


No. What you are describing is ethernet over PPP, not PPP over ethernet. PPPoE consists of PPP packets which are encapsulated *inside* ethernet frames.

When using PPPoE for Internet access, then you have IP(v4/v6) datagrams inside PPP frames inside ethernet.

Text
1
< ethernet < PPP < IP > > >


If you strip off both the ethernet and PPP encapsulation, then you have a naked IP datagram. Forwarding datagrams is a layer 3 (routing) activity. At minimum, you'd have to re-encapsulate it in a new ethernet frame via ARP, in order to resend it out of an ethernet port.
Standard User Pheasant
(knowledge is power) Thu 09-Jun-22 07:48:12
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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In reply to a post by albany11:
The website is not entirely clear. And customer sales seemed to be confused about the bridge mode on the supplied router, which just seems to turn off some of the mesh functionality rather than being a true Wan bridged mode.

It looks like the Genesis (integrated modem and router) kit is no longer used and there is now just a modem with RJ45 Wan port and the service is supplied with a Linksys Velop router. Can I just swap out the Linksys router for my own? Is it PPOE auth or something else?

I'm in Gloucestershire if that helps too. I'm a newbie to the FTTP terminology so forgive me for use of wrong words (perhaps?).😁. DOCSIS Cable and ADSL/VDSL has been my thing until now.


“We are unable to swap the modem or Genexis router out directly because of its optic-decoding function. The Lynksys Velop unit you will recieve as part of your installation can be changed for a 3rd party router of your choice, however we are unable to assist with the set up of this.
You can give us a ring on 01865 591131 or send a message to [email protected] for more guidance.”

From their FAQ page:
https://www.gigaclear.com/help/technical-support

Plug and play.
Standard User albany11
(newbie) Thu 09-Jun-22 09:12:50
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Re: Can I use my own (pfsense) router with Gigaclear?


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Thanks. Don't know how I missed that ...🙄

So it'll work and hopefully they'll be forthcoming on how to get it to authenticate.

Install is 21 June. I'll post here with details once I get it working, for others to use.

Surprised there isn't more chatter about Gigaclear on here. Jubilee special is £20/month with free install for 400Mb/s symmetric. Static IP is £2/month extra. Prices held until Oct 23. Seems like spectacular value. And orders of magnitude faster than the wet-string VDSL I get here.

Edited by albany11 (Thu 09-Jun-22 11:23:04)

Standard User albany11
(newbie) Thu 09-Jun-22 09:17:01
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Just be aware that if you need to do PPPOE on pfSense, it's single threaded, so make sure you're using something with a lot of single threaded cpu performance to host pfSense. Running it on a less powerful cpu will mean speeds below what you'd expect.

If their device supports a proper bridge mode that will handle PPPOE for you, use that.

Thanks. I'll check the specs and bear in mind it might be a bottle-neck.

It looks like on the older Genisis kit it could be configured from the provider side, as a proper bridge mode. Not sure what kit I'll get.

My pfsense device has never been heavily loaded on cpu before (rarely above 10%) but that was on a Virgin connection - so nice clean TCP/IP from the off. Might suck it and see. Was on 350/35 before, now on 400/400.

Edited by albany11 (Thu 09-Jun-22 09:18:06)

Standard User ip75
(regular) Thu 09-Jun-22 09:31:40
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Gigaclear don't use PPPoE, just DHCP. I have a Ubiquiti Dream Machine plugged into the ONT/modem that they supplied and it works fine. This is what they told me when I asked them about this originally:

"You will be able to use any router you would like. The router will need to be set up so it can receive dynamic IP address which you can do through the router settings."
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