ISPs Prep FTTP Plans for Openreach’s 1.2Gbps & 1.8Gbps

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/04/broadb...

To be honest, no one need that kind of speed for home. I don't blame ISPs think it not worth it to have it on board.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

I don't blame ISPs think it not worth it to have it on board.

I think the alt-nets show there is demand for higher speeds, often upload.

This report is fascinating and shows that Openreach is likely ahead of the BTwholesale division that many ISPs buy connectivity from to GET to Openreach.

On Gpon, no thanks, but xgs-pon yes please.

I can see a few scenarios where residential connections could use 2gbits+ but for most part you don't need it. But with that type of speed you should be using QoS to manage devices.

As jchamier said, many want a higher upload speed, which you just can't really do on gpon, i would argue the same with 1.2gbits and 1.8gbits download too. I'd be more than happy with 2gbits/1gbits connection. That said i'm happy with my 1000mbits/115mbits connection.

A big factor for a lot of ISPs will be that they currently only have 1G Cablelinks from the Openreach Layer 2 Switches. In that instance, in order to offer the 1.2/1.8Gbps packages, they'd need to order 10G Cablelinks to each L2S in the exchange which is a lot of extra cost for no guarantee that they will get any orders.

I've been mulling offering these packages to our customers but with the caveat that there may be a 2-4 week delay between the customer ordering with us and the service going live so that if we need to order a 10G Cablelink we can get it in place.

Customers can decide for themselves what they need based on the options presented to them, it's nobody else's place to tell them that they are wrong

In reply to a post by adslmax:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/04/broadb...

To be honest, no one need that kind of speed for home. I don't blame ISPs think it not worth it to have it on board.

Think we know which tier you'll be ordering when it goes live in your area, then.

Well you can do higher than what OR offer on GPON, Cityfibre do just that, surfing here with 1000mbits upload on GPON. Of course its risky, but I suppose they can make a new split, or later replace with a XGS-PON connection if things get messy.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2024/04/broadb...

To be honest, no one need that kind of speed for home. I don't blame ISPs think it not worth it to have it on board.

Might be the odd few if they have a very large family or a lot of people sharing, like in some of these houses of multiple occupations, but only if they are all dong 4K or downloading a load of stuff at the same time. For a single person or even two people, they would not get anything extra out of it. I could go to 2Gb/s, but what is the point? I have nothing here that will take advantage of it.

I expect the majority of people can cope with 100Mb/s, but will listen to the sales rubbish and be talked into getting something they don't need.

Used to be the same with computers, went into PCworld many years ago with my next door neighbour as they wanted a computer, I just stood back and listened to what the sales bloke was trying to sell him. Something in the region of a grand, so I stepped in and got some for around £400 which did the job they wanted.
I would not have got it from there, but neighbour wanted it that day
Sadly, this is what is happening with FTTP, people being hoodwinked into getting something they don't need and paying for it.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

To be honest, no one need that kind of speed for home.

What someone wants and what they need are on different lists

If you want it and can afford it, go for it

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

Well you can do higher than what OR offer on GPON, Cityfibre do just that, surfing here with 1000mbits upload on GPON. Of course its risky, but I suppose they can make a new split, or later replace with a XGS-PON connection if things get messy.

Of course, in a given area Cityfibre are unlikely to exceed 20-30% takeup anyway, whereas Openreach in the long term could have the remaining 70-80%, so contention is more of an issue for Openreach.

Having said that, I don't see why OR couldn't offer peak 200M upload on GPON today. If they did a 1800/200 service that would be an incentive to upgrade.

There is a 1000/220 service already from OR but it has a ludicrously high installation and monthly charge, and even BT themselves don't retail it. (Makes me wonder whether they install a dedicated PON for it?)