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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2026/04/bt-who...
BTw always very slow to catch up on Openreach up to 1.8Gbps. But for up to 8.5Gbps might have to wait longer for BTw to accepted it.
I bet BTw checker will see 1800/220 by end of 2026 or early 2027. Then 8500/330 by end of 2029 or early 2030. For symmetrical might wait longer around 2035.
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https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2026/04/bt-who...
BTw always very slow to catch up on Openreach up to 1.8Gbps. But for up to 8.5Gbps might have to wait longer for BTw to accepted it.
I bet BTw checker will see 1800/220 by end of 2026 or early 2027. Then 8500/330 by end of 2029 or early 2030. For symmetrical might wait longer around 2035.
Woke up the wrong side of the bed today ? Also are you sure its 1800/220 ?
In-regards to xgs-pon we are only seeing a 3 month trail. We may see another 3 month trial if theres a siginificant issue arrising. Otherwise expect a 2026 xgs-pon release.
This trial is about comobo pon from nokia and adtran working fine and back end systems working, Also switch over from gpon to xgs-pons at the pon databases. They aleady do insitu ont swaps.
There isn't much more to test.
Edited by Taras (Mon 27-Apr-26 10:32:16)
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BTw always very slow to catch up on Openreach up to 1.8Gbps. But for up to 8.5Gbps might have to wait longer for BTw to accepted it.
If you re-read the ISPreview page they discuss why that could be. Also there are ISPs that use Openreach connectivity but don't go via BTwholesale.
The good news is Openreach are planning ahead, even if slower than we would like. The ISPs who pay BTwholesale for service will have to ask their account managers why BTw is so slow.. as it will eventually cost them business. Where I live there is still no Openreach FTTP, and the one Alt Net can't get wayleave, so the fastest I can have is 1000/115 from Virgin Media coax at the usual high price.
Don't worry about it 
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You say high Virgin prices, while i can't get the prices directly, I did have a search and from what I found 1Gb/s is around £33. That is not bad if that is correct, sure it will increase at some point.
Zzoomm full price is around £48, but they do give offers.
Still not sure why the majority of people would want those speeds anyway.
Adrian
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Still not sure why the majority of people would want those speeds anyway.
Adrian you know, exactly why people will want faster speeds than 300mbits. And i've said, (even with the latest announcments) local ai models is the only reason for bog standard consumers needing faster (2gbits) internet - and thats a 2030 time frame.
We will only likely ever go to 8k60 with the tv screens - 16k won't happen because of motion sickness
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You say high Virgin prices, while i can't get the prices directly, I did have a search and from what I found 1Gb/s is around £33. That is not bad if that is correct, sure it will increase at some point.
As an existing customer they want £99 from me for that service, I can get a discount to about £70 for agreeing to stay for 3 years. My 300 Mbps is £70 now.
These older companies have differnet pricing for new and renewing customers 
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Still not sure why the majority of people would want those speeds anyway. At this point no amount of people giving their reasons is going to convince you, so you'll just have to remain unsure for eternity. Take some happiness in the knowledge that they're subsidising the slower services.
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Still not sure why the majority of people would want those speeds anyway. At this point no amount of people giving their reasons is going to convince you, so you'll just have to remain unsure for eternity. Take some happiness in the knowledge that they're subsidising the slower services.
Every time in the last 25+ years when a new speed tier was released someone would post asking who would need that speed. Who now could imagine being able to deal with a maximum 2Mb download and 256Kb upload? Yet people were questioning who would ever use those speeds.
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Adrian you know, exactly why people will want faster speeds than 300mbits. And i've said, (even with the latest announcments) local ai models is the only reason for bog standard consumers needing faster (2gbits) internet - and thats a 2030 time frame.
We will only likely ever go to 8k60 with the tv screens - 16k won't happen because of motion sickness
I did say the majority, those that just do a bit of streaming, maybe browse the net, a couple of emails or messages. Maybe even chat using WhatsApp. Even most gamers will be fine with lower speeds, just take a bit longer to download the games.
I doubt the majority of people even know what a local Ai model is.
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As an existing customer they want £99 from me for that service, I can get a discount to about £70 for agreeing to stay for 3 years. My 300 Mbps is £70 now.
These older companies have differnet pricing for new and renewing customers
That is a lot. I don't think I would pay that, I would stay on FTTC than pay that if there is no other option. That is if you can get FTTC. Failing that, then I would go for a mobile network
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At this point no amount of people giving their reasons is going to convince you, so you'll just have to remain unsure for eternity. Take some happiness in the knowledge that they're subsidising the slower services.
Is that what you think? I can understand why some households may need higher speed if they have a lot of people there, and they do a lot of streaming, gaming and other stuff that affect other devices in the house. But when there is one or two people that just stream a few things and maybe browse the net, then unless they get a good deal, what is the point?
Why should it make me happy, no doubt paying for 500Mb/s is subsidising those on lower speeds than me, but the price difference makes it not work changing.
I saved someone a bit of money a few weeks ago, they were going for 1Gb/s and after chatting with me, they realised they can go to a lower speed for less money, and they would not notice a difference. If they find at some point they need a faster speed then they can update. A tenner a month saved is a tenner a month.
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It's nobody elses business what speeds I pay for, so you can postulate on "why" people need it, I don't care for this opinion.
I've got 2.6Gbps of bandwidth, across two FTTP networks as I've two permanent home workers here, plus when I download 50-100GB files I don't want to wait, thanks. I can also afford it very comfortably, but again, that is nobody elses business but mine and my ISPs.
I pay £60 for 1.6 and £35 for the other 1Gbps (and this is symmetric at that!)
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Must admit I thought there must be something else in JChamier's package but the 125Mbps package is £31.99 on offer rising to £78 out of contract. The others out of contract are 250Mbps @ £83, 350Mbps @ £90, 500Mbps @ £96, 1Gbps @ £102 (those include a phone line, a bit cheaper without a phone).
That is crazy out of contract pricing. Virgin did come to our area a while back but no way would I move to them from what is a fairly competitive OpenReach FTTP connection.
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At this point no amount of people giving their reasons is going to convince you, so you'll just have to remain unsure for eternity. Take some happiness in the knowledge that they're subsidising the slower services.
Is that what you think?
It is what I think, yes. Because every time a discussion starts about speeds it's almost possible to set a countdown and await your opinion of how you can't understand the requirement for something so fast, despite people who haven't been subjected to it previously giving you examples of what they are using it for.
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It's nobody elses business what speeds I pay for, so you can postulate on "why" people need it, I don't care for this opinion.
I've got 2.6Gbps of bandwidth, across two FTTP networks as I've two permanent home workers here, plus when I download 50-100GB files I don't want to wait, thanks. I can also afford it very comfortably, but again, that is nobody elses business but mine and my ISPs.
I pay £60 for 1.6 and £35 for the other 1Gbps (and this is symmetric at that!)
So why did you tell me?
I can understand why you need more speed, certainly is you are downloading files of 50-100GB. A 100GB file will take around 25 minutes to download here, so yes if you are downloading that size files a lot I can understand.
But I am on about your standard Joe public, like most of these I expect in my street. There is one household that has a business, a few doors up, but they still as far as I can see have FTTC. I can't see any splice box.
I agree, it is no ones business, I am just curious.
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Must admit I thought there must be something else in JChamier's package but the 125Mbps package is £31.99 on offer rising to £78 out of contract. The others out of contract are 250Mbps @ £83, 350Mbps @ £90, 500Mbps @ £96, 1Gbps @ £102 (those include a phone line, a bit cheaper without a phone).
That is crazy out of contract pricing. Virgin did come to our area a while back but no way would I move to them from what is a fairly competitive OpenReach FTTP connection.
It is crazy, I would not pay it, no matter how much money I had, I just could not justify it. I would wait for a bit longer for files, that is to be honest the only thing that the speed i have is useful for.
I do send files to my Partners Nas, but her broadband is slightly slower than mine now as she dropped from 1Gb to around 400ish Mb/s last year. So not going to make any difference if i increase the speed for that.
She certainly has the money to go as fast as she can, but she don't see the point.
Nexfibre was going to come here this year, but decided not to, so we have Zzoomm or what ever they want to be called now and the Openreach network. I will stick with Zzoomm and I expect I would have even if Nexfibre came here. Certainly not going back to Openreach if i can help it
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It is what I think, yes. Because every time a discussion starts about speeds it's almost possible to set a countdown and await your opinion of how you can't understand the requirement for something so fast, despite people who haven't been subjected to it previously giving you examples of what they are using it for.
You said "no amount of people giving their reasons is going to convince you,"
gorebrush convinced me, he has a reason to have the high speeds. I can understand circumstances like that, just not your standard two up two down house with a 2–4 people in, unless they are all really high data users.
I am not saying they should not have higher speeds, they can do what they like, I just wonder.
As I said before, don't have anything to do with the cost of providing the service and yet ISP's make people think it is and some stick the price sky-high for going faster.
Look at these above 1Gb speeds and how much they are charging for that and offend or not a lot of gullible people are going to pay that amount out and some of these people don't really have the money to pay that amount.
But then there are a lot of gullible people in this country and sadly businesses take advantage of them.
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Must admit I thought there must be something else in JChamier's package but the 125Mbps package is £31.99 on offer rising to £78 out of contract. The others out of contract are 250Mbps @ £83, 350Mbps @ £90, 500Mbps @ £96, 1Gbps @ £102 (those include a phone line, a bit cheaper without a phone).
That is crazy out of contract pricing. Virgin did come to our area a while back but no way would I move to them from what is a fairly competitive OpenReach FTTP connection.
Its the main reason I ditched them, when I was on gig1, the service was good enough I was prepared to stay on it after FTTP became available. Which shows how much VM have improved in my area.
But they messed it up, tripling of price for out of contract, and then the retentions game, where not everyone gets the same deal, some were getting gig1 for about £35, I was offered something like £60 something with TV services, if I wanted standalone gig1, it went up to circa £80 barely lower than out of contract.
Another TBB forum member around the same time then got gig1 for under £40.
So I sprinted out of there, VM need to stop these games. It will shrink their customer base now they have proper competition.
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... So I sprinted out of there, VM need to stop these games. It will shrink their customer base now they have proper competition.
It's enough to leave me thinking that I would not voluntarily move to an area where VM is the only show in town,
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So I sprinted out of there, VM need to stop these games. It will shrink their customer base now they have proper competition. You can see why I'm awaiting competition. Landlords, and wayleaves are my problem now. Two Alt Nets in the road, and I can only (currently) get Openreach copper, or VM coax. I will be shortly renewing for another 18months as out-of-term pricing from VM is just offensive... and until they lose many more customers they won't change.
They only lost 5600 customers in the last quarter.
https://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2026/05/virgin...
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