Doubt it is anything to do with exchange backhaul. Backhaul is the easy bit in this engineering project in my view.

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Easy, but not swift if not forecast?

I think the sudden rush to install cabinets was when they found huge demand on the early enablements, and now they have a fair few going they are finding the average download has shot up as well. Look at the number of posts on these forums of Openreach FTTC heavy use time huge slowdowns, and not just Infinity.

So I agree with you, but it is inherent in my theory that substantial extra backhaul has a lead time.

Nothing more complicated or deeper than that.

Something has to explain the mass retreat from 31 December occurring after 10 December when the cabinets, internals, PCP links and fibre to them has been installed. Quite a different scenario from the 31 December ones where we know it was just a holding date.

My exchange for instance had an MSAN in place over three and a half years ago. So that isn't the problem here.

I would lay odds that the frantic installation schedule has been put on hold as well in the last few days, or at least the next batch. You probably know a lot more than me on that one.

This isn't an Openreach issue.

It's perfectly possible that Openreach have the exchange ready to roll but Wholesale haven't as yet bought their handovers, or Openreach have hit issues with the headend construction.

Headend issues have caused a few problems with exchange dates as far as I'm aware. There is no shortage of backhaul as far as Openreach go.

My guess would be that is nothing to do with exchange backhaul or whether an exchange has an msan fitted

I would also guess that it is pretty much impossible for punters to guess how close to commissioning a particular cabinet is. Even if they think they know fibre tubes have been installed to the cabinet ( and I've seen more than one report of 'fibres' being installed that are undoubtedly drain rods. ) punters won't know the status of the spine tubes.

My theory would be that primarily Openreach have less blokes on NGA duties today than they thought they would have a year ago when they were planning it and had thousands of engineers on the bench.

or it could have been due to the rotten weather with more on the way and this has delayed the whole q4 2010 rollout.

Thats your cab taken off the list !

Me too, Roberto. I'm on the Molesey exchange at Hampton in Middlesex. When I tried it the other day, the BT Checker definitely confirmed that the FTTC going-live date was 31st December. Indeed, samknows still shows the date as 31st December. However, when I now look, the Checker states that it's been put back to 31st March.

I went for a walk around my precinct yesterday, looking specifically at the green street cabinets. Quite apart from the fact that none of them were marked as being BT property (or anyone else's, for that matter), there was no evidence whatever of any new ones having been installed. So, for whatever reason, the exchange may be kitted out for the new medium but the works needed to get the fibre laid and the new cabinets installed and cabled up show no sign whatever of happening.

My guess is that BT is unaware of the demand for the new service and are simply not that bothered about engaging the necessary installation personnel for the cabinets and the fibre. Certainly, not now that the weather's bad and Xmas is almost upon us. It's the typical, infuriating British way.

Demand for better Internet connectivity has always been quite high in this relatively affluent part of Outer London but it strikes me that to install and fit out sufficient cabinets to cover the Hampton area would require a veritable army of workmen and technicians. I just don't see it happening for some months yet and so I guess that's why the date has been put back. Seen from the individual subscriber's angle, the start date for the service is going to be an ever-changing incremental one.

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so they are going to delay until they have more backhaul in place.

Or they are delaying to allow revenue to come in before spending more on backhaul.

Surely the additional revenue would come from actually using the equipment they have spent so much capital on already?

I agree, but there has to be a limit, you can't just spend and spend and spend, the accountants have to say enough for now at some point. Looks like those more in the know how put pay to the insufficient backhaul theory now anyway

I think they have just realised that rushing to put a load more people live by the end of the month isn't a clever idea, better to postpone, take your time and not have a load of people on holliday if things go tits up. Everyone may even get enabled well before march.

Mediator, it looks as though everything that was supposed to be ready in our area, Molesey, Mortlake, East Sheen, etc, has been pushed back to March.

Hi All,
Same here RFS date has been moved to Mar 2011 even tho everything is completed at the exchange and the DSLAM's. They have even field tested them and commissioned them and all are ok. The guys told me that all that needs to be done is an audit and QC checks and away we go. I've asked a MOD at BT Forum if this is the case but to date no re[ly.
On times I don't understand BT