thanks for saying what I think ignition.

Rural areas are defenitly well served in the uk, I know a fair few people abroad outside of towns in other countries using either dialup or sattelite as thats the only choice they have.

the long slow line thing has been very misleading put out as a rural area thing with people like prince charles even backing it when the reality is rural areas are more likely to have to pay more but otherwise are able to get a good service as some urban area in general.

Comparing me to my parents, I have a choice of half a dozen LLU suppliers and cable broadband, the reality is tho no matter which adsl supplier I choose 6mbit will be about the upper limit on good days (making 21CN and LLU adsl2+ not relevant) and cable here is severely oversold performing on average below 6mbit. My parents are BTw only but have a nice short line and 8mbit service. Apparently they dont pay much for it either, my dad says he has the adsl as part of his orange mobile package.

This area big city with 30k+ properties gets under 1% on this race to infinity so probably never see FTTx this side of 2020.

O2 and Sky are two I can think of off the top of my head.
I was quite happy with O2 until they changed their Access product and massively increased the price

I have ended up on AAISP, and still pay more because my exchange is on the 20C network.

O2 and Sky are two I can think of off the top of my head.

Their price differentials are only between BT and LLU I think ? (as opposed to BT only regional pricing like Plusnet).

In reply to a post by bgriffiths:

I think I can speak for one of the "100% exchanges" in this farce, sorry, race (ie Madingley). There has been no cheating here, our votes are genuine, and have been won by massive poster & door-to-door campaigning, visiting every address served by the exchange. There has also been a mutual & friendly rivalry with the next door exchange, Caxton, also one of the 100% group.

Problem is BT does not seem to know the total number of premises connected to each exchange - the published numbers are quite clearly wrong. Yes there are properties not inhabited, and a few residents not willing to register their vote, yet even now votes are still being registered by all the 100% exchanges! Bizarre, but the problem really is on BT's side

BT is in danger of creating a huge PR disaster from this

I am sorry but any exchange claiming a 100% will have had the votes fiddled. That is pretty much 99.99% certain. The take up of Broadaband is not even anywhere near a 100%.

Some liies as well will be outgoing or inccoming only lines. Some will be burglar alarm lines and some such as small businesses and retail stores will have no need for Broadband and some simply will not want Broadband

I am sure BT will be fully aware that exchanges claiming a 100% will have many fale votes

BT will know exactly how many active lines they have on an exchange at any point in time

The voting system is easilly fiddled particularly with small exchanges. The system could have been made reasonably secure by requiring the account number as well as address & phone number. Just requiring the phone number & address leaves it wide open to false registrations.

Edited by deleted (Sun 02-Jan-11 10:06:30)

why didnt BT do a hard number rather than %?

so eg. 5001 votes beats 5000 no matter how big the exchange is, I also agree with you needing account numbers. But as I said before I think BT arent too fussed as I think this is just a PR stunt in response to pressures about their rollout.

elsewhere in this thread one of the "100%" exchanges said they had not registered all of the lines but had still got 100%, casting doubt over the nature of the percentage figure - percent of what.

In reply to a post by yarwell:

elsewhere in this thread one of the "100%" exchanges said they had not registered all of the lines but had still got 100%, casting doubt over the nature of the percentage figure - percent of what.

One would assume a 100% of actual lines(not PABX & DDI numbers) but any figure of much over 60% has to be seen as highly suspect. In any case a normer subscriber would not know the actual number of real lines.

The average takeup of Broadband across the UK is 60% but is lower with the smaller exchanges. Takeup of Fibre is likely to be a lot lower but only very limited data on takeup is available at present the only certainty is it would be a lot lower then for Broadband probably about 70% lower.

The system is wide open to fiddling the figures and clearly that is what has been happing as you point out you can nver get anywhere near a 100% in fact if you got over 50% you would be doing very well. Just applying a simple sanity check tells you that. THere is not one exhange anywhere in the UK tha gets anywhere near a 100% take up of Broadband

It appear to be a marketing gimmick by BT. If they really wanted to know the likely take up of Fibre there are far better ways of comming up with a figure. THe starting point would be the percentage take up of Broadband on an exchange. You would then look at how many are going for the higher end packages ie higher speed & higher download limits. It is this second group that would be most likely to take up fibre

In reply to a post by yarwell:

percent of what.

I think that's the real question.

The campaign is being run by BT Retail, who I would expect to only have information about their own customer numbers on each exchange. They would have no idea of the number of LLU (including WLR + Wholesale Calls) customers with services from other providers.

So is 100% the total number of BTR lines (which in theory could return more votes than this number)?
Or BTR broadband customers?
Or a guess at the total number of BB/PSTN lines?
Or something else?

figures plucked from same db as samknows uses?