In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by nelix01:

Thanks. I understood that the kit is provided by OR on all install's not just Infinity, just wasnt sure what was actually being provided.

Seems I got it slightly wrong . Not hard wired, though it seems daft to me that it isn't. See this post.

I can see why you would think that, but the idea was/is that the end user can disconnect the extension if there is a problem with it, and because the faceplate does not have to be removed, they can be talked through this over the phone. Original BT adsl plates and vdsl plates don't have provision for hard wired dsl extensions.

seen a new batch of vdsl plates they now have a 2 pin krone tag on the top left inner portion - suspect it is to clone a and b for unfiltered extension, although provision of the rj11 plug is preferable for faulting.

In reply to a post by systemx:

I can see why you would think that, but the idea was/is that the end user can disconnect the extension if there is a problem with it, and because the faceplate does not have to be removed, they can be talked through this over the phone.

I did think of that, but the same argument could be applied in reverse to the standard NTE5A.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

In reply to a post by systemx:

I can see why you would think that, but the idea was/is that the end user can disconnect the extension if there is a problem with it, and because the faceplate does not have to be removed, they can be talked through this over the phone.

I did think of that, but the same argument could be applied in reverse to the standard NTE5A.

Well I did say that was the idea, not how viable it is, or even if someone would be preparied to do it while on the phone to tech support!!.

In reply to a post by Anonymous:

seen a new batch of vdsl plates they now have a 2 pin krone tag on the top left inner portion - suspect it is to clone a and b for unfiltered extension, although provision of the rj11 plug is preferable for faulting.

Yes I saw one on the Pressic site while looking for some info about the VDSL plate. You are right they are for an unfiltered extension. http://www.presscomm.co.uk/pdf/Pressac_Brochure_AW.pdf

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If one were to hardwire the data extension socket, using a roll of cat 5, to the terminations in the top left corner, then removing the filter plate would allow telephony, if the fttc was faulty.

Aren't we in a BT strategy loop here?

We have now reached the point in this discussion where the VDSL plate has become a total no-no for practical and aesthetic purposes.

Maybe Openreach should just bulk-buy XTE-2005s or equivalents and stop trying to have its own-specified kit for things like this.

It will be coming up with a VDSL router next! Or maybe a phone handset.

XTE-2005 and the like just followed BT's lead with the ADSL SSFP. Why is the VDSL plate impractical ? The engineer install includes relocating the master socket if required. We see every day on here the sort of hash people make of phone extensions so the VDSL signal is best isolated from that.

In reply to a post by yarwell:

XTE-2005 and the like just followed BT's lead with the ADSL SSFP. Why is the VDSL plate impractical ? The engineer install includes relocating the master socket if required. We see every day on here the sort of hash people make of phone extensions so the VDSL signal is best isolated from that.

I agree, and not just for VDSL. We can see from Ian Stirling's post (page 1 entry 6) how DSL should be delt with, and in his case all that will happen is a faceplate swap to keep the ISP happy.

Openreach FTTC supply a cheap NTE5 filtered faceplate, which lacks back connectors for fixed ADSL data wiring. It only has back IDC connectors for extension voice wiring.
A BT/Openreach FTTC engineer probably wouldn't have time to connect wiring from the back of the NTE5 to a remote ADSL RJ11 socket. Anyway those wires would then belong to BT/Openreach - negating the NTE5 definition of the BT/User boundary. Duh!

Do some site preparation yourself. The filter stops ADSL signals interfering with voice calls. Wires to ADSL/VDSL modems are not filtered.

Many suppliers offer NTE5 compatible faceplates with back connectors for both voice and data. Try Google or
Solwise ADSL Faceplates

An Austin Taylor filtered faceplate and 10m of CAT5E cable has worked fine here. One twisted pair for data; a separate twisted pair (and a half) for voice (and bell).
The FTTC engineer was happy to leave well alone and connect the Openreach VDSL modem into an existing remote RJ11 socket. He had three more FTTC installs before lunch.