Hi Bill, you should keep your stalking, shockingly bad and partisan moderation to the non technical Free Chat forum.

That way Free Chat can continue to decline and the credibility of the main site will hopefully remain largely undamaged.

Edited by deleted (Sun 06-Mar-11 21:46:37)

Thanks for the reminder. There is always the possibility that Sky will not wish to compete in the majority of the country that has Openreach FTTC and Virgin but I seriously doubt they will want to watch their punters walk.

There will always be room for small high price niche providers and referral agents but I don't expect Sky to be one of them.

Edited by deleted (Sun 06-Mar-11 21:50:34)

Given it is still early days for fttc I do think sky will leave it till 2012 or end of 2011 before offering service as they have invested alot in there own equip

Indeed they have. However Sky are only going to watch their punters lock in to contracts with BT Infinity or TalkTalk for so long.

Sky are a major player in broadband, I would imagine they want to stay that way.

Living standards are projected to fall. Once punters lock in with BT Infinity, they may start considering just how much they are paying for Sky PayTV.

Edited by deleted (Sun 06-Mar-11 22:01:43)

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

That has to be a problem before long, if not already.

As it has before - it will do again. Many of us in this thread have seen ISPs change prices, get loads of high volume subscribers, and then have to increase prices or introduce traffic management in a fast and ill-considered way.

Even Be is losing such users to Infinity - no doubt much to the relief of all remaining O2 and Be customers.

In the cases I've read about its former BE customers who are on less than 10meg service; and are desperate for higher numbers.

Only just spotted your edit...

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

the credibility of the main site will hopefully remain largely undamaged.

That's my aim too... always best if potential vested interests aren't hidden, wouldn't you say?

Glad we look at these things in the same way

In reply to a post by orly:

Must like your TV lol.

Not that much actually, but famly of 4 in the house, 3 of which use streaming regularly.
Muzu was great for streaming vids for parties

I didn't mention it's unlimited as I know that to be false too. I'm happy to point that out to people and have done.

Takes a bit of digging but it's easy enough to establish the 300GB "soft cap" and then the speed reduction that kicks in.

In reply to a post by RandomJointer:

Remain calm, Orly.

BT Infinity is clearly the best value FTTC product on the market and is hoovering up the punters. Sky and TalkTalk are coming.

Punters will make up their own minds whether they wish to spend well over the odds for an alternative tiny provider or referral driven service.

You, as a BT bod know this. I, as a former one, know this also.

And with such massive uptake rates and all the leechers apparently jumping on board I should have noticed the service going down the tubes by now. Not sure why, but that hasn't happened. Running nicely for you? (if you have it. can't recall if you're on Infinity).

In reply to a post by Johnct:

the bt hub is free of charge as long you stay in the contract for 12 months or more and i know people will do but just in case the below is on bt
and i am only saying people !!
3. Equipment prices
The Hub
The standard price of the hub is £91.90. We may allow you to defer payment of this price for up
to 12 months from the date that we accept your order. Any part of the standard price for the
hub that we allow you to defer, becomes payable either 12 months after we accept your order or
at the point that you end the service � whichever is the earlier. If you keep the service for 12
months or more from the date that we accepted your order, we will waive any deferred payment
that you would be liable to pay for the hub. If you end the service within 12 months of us
accepting your order, we will waive part of the payment that we allowed you to defer, but you
will still be liable to pay £46.00 towards the standard cost of the hub.
The

You're quoting the Tariff Guide which is for Total Broadband, the more accurate one is:

In some cases we will allow you to defer payment of the full price of the BT Infinity Home Hub that we supply for use with the service. If you move to a different product within our portfolio or end the service within 12 months of BT accepting your order for that service, and you did not pay the full price for the BT Infinity Home Hub when you placed your order, you will be liable to pay the balance � that is, the price as set out in the Tariff Guide, less any amount which you paid upfront when you placed your order, unless you end the service within the cancellation period (as detailed in paragraph 10 of the Residential Standard Terms). The deferred payment is no longer payable after you have received the service for 12 months or more from the date that your order was accepted by BT.

As the contract is 18 months this is pretty moot.

If you leave early, the cost of the hub is the least of your worries

Edited by orly (Mon 07-Mar-11 03:05:11)