Of course it will be applied to HTTP as there is no way they can support thousands of 40Mb/s abusing the service. We already see this with the BT ADSL service.

Like any enthusiast, I do my homework before I join a new ISP.

Why are you so obsessed with the cost? Are you on the dole? The state of broadband in this country would be much better if we were all still paying £50 like the early days of ADSL.

Cost is just one factor.

You can also take into consideration the free activation, free hardware, 24/7 phone number, usage allowances and actual knowledge of using the service for 9 months and the normal ADSL service for several years prior to that. Infinity has been essentially flawless thus far and the ADSL service was for many years until, as luck would have it, the few weeks before our FTTC install when it was pants. (caution, link shows real fanboy behaviour!)

Homework well and truly done in my case. Seems you've done more though. Care to divulge a) How many infinity users there are. b) How many are connected at 40Mbit/s. c) How many are "abusing" it. By abuse I assume you mean anyone using it in between all the magical throttling you like to mention

Fact is there is no enthusiast in you. Anyone taking a look through your posts can see numerous instances where you just show up in threads related to BT, or in the BT forum itself, just to troll and post useless comments. It's there for anyone to see.

Edited by orly (Tue 08-Mar-11 21:09:10)

Aquiss don't supply a router, though I think they have a couple they recommend, I already have an Apple Airport Extreme so I don't need another router. I may end up going to Infinity purely on the cost. It is only around 7 quid more than I pay Be, whereas Aquiss are just over double so getting a bit hard to justify it really. Even if I go to infinity i would use the Airport Extreme in preference to the home hub .

i c 1 just you !

The Hub isn't the best. It's not shocking but does have the tendency to fall over every so often and needing rebooted. Haven't used an airport extreme but the "express" which seems to be little more than a wireless repeater.

Luckily the openreach modem seems to be a work horse. Would be nice if you could get into it though to play around with the settings/figures.

How is it sustainable without traffic shaping?

Why do businesses spend thousands on leased lines?

You know nothing.

The Hub isn't the best. It's not shocking but does have the tendency to fall over every so often and needing rebooted.

I have never really had a problem with my HH2. My brother has just got one and it needs rebooting if you stop using it for more than 10-15mins!!

He blamed it on the 10 day line training but I think it's kafucked!

Ive heard about it being unreliable for some. Is that one if the common problems?

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

However, we still have traffic management policies that will restrict certain applications / protocols, such as P2P, when the network is busy.

USENET
BitTorrent
HTTP

You name it, they'll throttle it.

Do you have any evidence that BT throttle newsgroups and HTTP on Infinity? From everything I've read they only throttle P2P at peak times. Doesn't seem like a problem to me if you can use SSL newsgroups at full speed all the time or leave your P2P downloads to run overnight on an uncapped connection.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

How is it sustainable without traffic shaping?

Why do businesses spend thousands on leased lines?

You know nothing.

How do you equate that statement with your own ISP? Are you paying thousands or is it unsustainable over at Zen?

Please answer the questions posed in the other post. You seem pretty sure of yourself so give us the answers.

Edited by orly (Tue 08-Mar-11 22:56:46)

In reply to a post by orly:

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

How is it sustainable without traffic shaping?

Why do businesses spend thousands on leased lines?

You know nothing.

Seems to me BT maybe operating on the 'stack em high sell em cheap' principle.

It works for Tesco in their market and no doubt works for others as well.

Prices may rise in the future but I'm sure BT recognise the risk of alienating a carefully built up market.

Truth is all the other providers offering FTTC can't possibly compete with this strategy at the moment, and that is why they are charging far more than BT.

So the reason that BT are cheaper than Zen for example is not because BT are cutting corners but because they can absorb the short term losses and end up with a far bigger user base which in itself will lead to higher profits in the long run.

I have to say your objections to "Infinity" seem to me to be based on nothing more than conjecture and for some reason an antagonism towards BT's fiber offering which has no basis in fact (at the moment)


Bryan.

Edited by deleted (Tue 08-Mar-11 23:30:33)