i think at this stage well for the next 6-9 months it will be just BT and VM going head to head with each other then maybe sky will have FTTC ready for then

BT Infinity charge a lot more for business premises. We're a small business and we went for Fast.co.uk, who don't discriminate between business and residential, and pay £27.56 including VAT per month for a 12 month contract (we can't be sure we will be staying at our current premises for 2 years, which is the cheapest option for BT). BT would want £60/month (although free installation compared to £52 for Fast.co.uk) inc.VAT. Yes, we have a 45GB download cap, but there is no bandwidth shaping and uploads are not metered. WE have 10Mbs upload on this deal too (in reality, an impressive 8Mbs).

Ian

Edited by deleted (Fri 04-Mar-11 13:56:34)

In reply to a post by StepOne:

Hi,

BT Infinity has arrived for our home, which is great, but I just thought I'd look at other fibre broadband providers before jumping ship from Eclipse, my current ISP.

Zen, always a favorite, quotes £30/mth for 50GB plus £75 activation fee. Both plus Vat

Eclipse, quotes £39.95/mth for 100GB. Plus, I would have to buy a fibre compatible router.

BT, quotes £18/mth for 40GB which includes 'Unlimited calls to UK landlines at weekends' and a free hub. Although, there is a £25 activation fee.

Am I missing something here? For the average home user who probably doesn't need 100GB, why would anyone choose either Zen or Eclipse? Do ISP's other than BT have any chance in competing for home users with the current pricing differences?

Thanks!

BT is by far the better value one assuming everything else is equal such as quality of service.

I think for whatever reason BT are underselling their own product as a loss leader, as a result quality will be impacted. They have no real need to sell it that cheap unless the CEO is under pressure to get signups at no matter what cost.

I mentioned in another thread its barely more expensive than VM's 10mbit product.

Edited by Chrysalis (Sat 05-Mar-11 11:29:04)

If TalkTalk start to offer FTTC will they have to install their own fibre alongside that of BT or will there be some sort of sharing?

Sorry -just found the TalkTalk FTTC thread. All is now marginally clearer.

Edited by deleted (Tue 22-Mar-11 18:59:16)

aquiss all the way

In reply to a post by Michael_Chare:

In reply to a post by orly:

Not really. But BT aren't really competing with other FTTC ISPs who are a lot smaller than they are. They're competing with Virgin and when you compare the prices between those two it becomes a lot clearer what it is happening and how BT have picked their spot.

This does make me wonder whether BT will introduce different prices for FTTC in areas where they are not competing with Virgin.

I would like to see BT price FTTC at a level where they can afford to cover nearly all of the country. Virgin should contribute to the cost of doing this.

Why should Virgin pay to subsidies BT's roll out?

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

In reply to a post by StepOne:

Hi,

BT Infinity has arrived for our home, which is great, but I just thought I'd look at other fibre broadband providers before jumping ship from Eclipse, my current ISP.

Zen, always a favorite, quotes £30/mth for 50GB plus £75 activation fee. Both plus Vat

Eclipse, quotes £39.95/mth for 100GB. Plus, I would have to buy a fibre compatible router.

BT, quotes £18/mth for 40GB which includes 'Unlimited calls to UK landlines at weekends' and a free hub. Although, there is a £25 activation fee.

Am I missing something here? For the average home user who probably doesn't need 100GB, why would anyone choose either Zen or Eclipse? Do ISP's other than BT have any chance in competing for home users with the current pricing differences?

Thanks!

BT is by far the better value one assuming everything else is equal such as quality of service.

I think for whatever reason BT are underselling their own product as a loss leader, as a result quality will be impacted. They have no real need to sell it that cheap unless the CEO is under pressure to get signups at no matter what cost.

I mentioned in another thread its barely more expensive than VM's 10mbit product.

If they are selling it at a loss they would be breaking competition law and could be heavilly fined for it

In reply to a post by deeor:

If TalkTalk start to offer FTTC will they have to install their own fibre alongside that of BT or will there be some sort of sharing?

Sorry -just found the TalkTalk FTTC thread. All is now marginally clearer.

I don't know where the TT FTTC thread is, but it will use the BT Openreach FTTC product with handover to TT at the exchnage.

There are two possible systems at that stage, GEA and VULA.

I believe the BT Wholesale product which all the current FTTC ISPs use (VM Cable excepted of course) is GEA. VULA more closely approaches the ADSLx type of LLU where the ISP has more control over the line behaviour than Openreach provide on GEA. Perhaps the Openreach DLM isn't implemented on VULA for instance - to be honest I'm not high on VULA details.

Thanks for that

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

In reply to a post by StepOne:

Hi,

BT Infinity has arrived for our home, which is great, but I just thought I'd look at other fibre broadband providers before jumping ship from Eclipse, my current ISP.

Zen, always a favorite, quotes £30/mth for 50GB plus £75 activation fee. Both plus Vat

Eclipse, quotes £39.95/mth for 100GB. Plus, I would have to buy a fibre compatible router.

BT, quotes £18/mth for 40GB which includes 'Unlimited calls to UK landlines at weekends' and a free hub. Although, there is a £25 activation fee.

Am I missing something here? For the average home user who probably doesn't need 100GB, why would anyone choose either Zen or Eclipse? Do ISP's other than BT have any chance in competing for home users with the current pricing differences?

Thanks!

BT is by far the better value one assuming everything else is equal such as quality of service.

I think for whatever reason BT are underselling their own product as a loss leader, as a result quality will be impacted. They have no real need to sell it that cheap unless the CEO is under pressure to get signups at no matter what cost.

I mentioned in another thread its barely more expensive than VM's 10mbit product.

If they are selling it at a loss they would be breaking competition law and could be heavilly fined for it

in that case so would also sky and O2, as they have been doing the same for years. Or do you think free broadband is profiteable?