If Openreach is a seperate subsiderry company the BT Holding Company has no direct control on the subsiderry company and cannot influence it's business strategy

All ISP's & Telco's would be on the same footing including BT would be on the same footing ie they would be customers of BT Openreach. Clearly the larger the company the better the deal they may be able to make with BT openreach

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If Openreach is a seperate subsiderry company the BT Holding Company has no direct control on the subsiderry company and cannot influence it's business strategy

All ISP's & Telco's would be on the same footing including BT would be on the same footing ie they would be customers of BT Openreach. Clearly the larger the company the better the deal they may be able to make with BT openreach

What you are talking about doesn't happen. Ofcom forbid it, BTW is treat the same as any other ISP by OR.

Chinese walls exist between OR and the rest of BT to please Ofcom

http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/Industryanalysts/Indus...

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In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

Utter tosh.

If for one minuite, the other teleco's, isp's, ofcom, thought that there was a problem, then ofcom would be down on BT like a ton of bricks.

You are not serious surely!

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Please can I have half of your garden? I know you have paid for it, but as you are not using it for growing profitable crops, I would like to take it over and use it to cultivate my own crop of cannabis plants.

Yeah man! Lol!

Very serious, huge fines can be imposed

On paper, Ofcom can also impose huge fines for selling kit that doesn't meet the CE/EMC regulations.

In both cases, Ofcom choose to ignore the blatantly obvious, because it would embarrass their paymasters and/or put the Ofcom staff salary continuation plans at risk.

On how many occasions have Ofcom imposed a meaningful penalty ?

On how many occasions has there been a breach of the rules that should have resulted in a fine?

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On paper, Ofcom can also impose huge fines for selling kit that doesn't meet the CE/EMC regulations.

In both cases, Ofcom choose to ignore the blatantly obvious, because it would embarrass their paymasters and/or put the Ofcom staff salary continuation plans at risk.

On how many occasions have Ofcom imposed a meaningful penalty ?

First of all OFCOM have to prove something. The usual BT approach is to be obstructive. We have this with the opening up of the BT ducting they set an unrealistically high price for third parties to use it. BT does not blatantly break the rules but gently stretches them. By the time the wheels of OFCOM get moving and action is take BT will already have the commercial advantage.
If BT Openreach were a separate company BT itself would become a customer of BT so would have to charge BT the same rate for using the ducts as third parties.
At presnt BT are not directly charged for using the ducts it is just lost in the general costs and there is no way of telling how much BT are being charged at present for using the ducts

so you want the duct network to be owned by a separate entity then??? you really have very little clue as to how things work re bt / openreach. The situation we have now is the best it is going get unless we renationalise the network and force out all competition so that the government can make a return on its investments.

The only thing holding back investment is demand and money. Competition is rife between various wholesalers / llu / bt etc and transmition methods (wireless / cable / SLU fttc) etc. We dont need more competition.

There seems to be a lot of break up BT mantra for the sake of doing it. What is it we want to do? force bt to open all duct and poles for free? - putting aside all other considerations where would that leave the market? either extremely fragmented with various local monopolies or a huge foreign national telco infrastructure bleeding yet more money and jobs out of the country....


Seems some people want to have 1gig download speed over gold plated fibre for 50P a month and believe it nasty bt who are stopping us from having it?

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If BT Openreach were a separate company BT itself would become a customer of BT so would have to charge BT the same rate for using the ducts as third parties.

That is where you go wrong.

Despite several people telling you several times, you seem unaware that pretty well every large company gives favourable prices to its biggest customer.

You introduce another concept there as well. I bet you didn't even realise.

You suggest that the ducting ownership should be completely separate from the ownership of the cables within it. As opposed to the current Openreach ownership of both but with the probability of imminent duct sharing.

BT Openreach under any ownership and with any title will for the foreseeable future favour BT Wholesale and/or BT (Retail).

But as a de facto monopoly that screws every customer, as there is nowhere else to go.

So a regulatory body would be needed, to set the parameters within which the new network infrastructure company would operate.

Ooooohhh, we could call it OfNet. Or even OfCom.