Every cab is different. I've seen anything from 1 week to many, many months depending on other stuff. Having power installed is not always the final stage

Is there a shortage of power/electrical enigneers working for the power companies? Iv seen many many cabs near my area that have had thier proposed dates for power to be installed but those dates have been missed countless times over now.

Dates get missed, the planning is reapplied and new date is given, date is missed and the cycle continues.

What is going on!?!?!

Simple...

The government, in an attempt to reduce the delays we (as drivers) suffer from excessive delays, set rules that require the utilities to have to register roadworks in advance, and set fines if the roadworks go on too long.

It is in the interests of the utilities to over-book these roadworks slots "just in case" (after all, they have to book them a month in advance, so have no idea whether the install teams are ahead or behind schedule.

It is also in their interest, if something goes wrong, to just fill the hole in (unfinished), and rebook in another month's time.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

Simple...

The government, in an attempt to reduce the delays we (as drivers) suffer from excessive delays, set rules that require the utilities to have to register roadworks in advance, and set fines if the roadworks go on too long.

It is in the interests of the utilities to over-book these roadworks slots "just in case" (after all, they have to book them a month in advance, so have no idea whether the install teams are ahead or behind schedule.

It is also in their interest, if something goes wrong, to just fill the hole in (unfinished), and rebook in another month's time.

Iv heard that theory before on here, interesting!

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

Simple...

The government, in an attempt to reduce the delays we (as drivers) suffer from excessive delays, set rules that require the utilities to have to register roadworks in advance, and set fines if the roadworks go on too long.

It is in the interests of the utilities to over-book these roadworks slots "just in case" (after all, they have to book them a month in advance, so have no idea whether the install teams are ahead or behind schedule.

It is also in their interest, if something goes wrong, to just fill the hole in (unfinished), and rebook in another month's time.

Not quite right but a little truth in what you have said.

Minor works (duration of 1 to 3 days) = minimum 3 days in advance for notice/permit to be submitted.
Standard (duration of 4 to 10 days) = minimum 10 days in advance
Major works (duration of 11+ days) = minimum of 3 months in advance

Kent and London now operate under Permit Schemes. Further details on the Kent permit scheme can be found here (check page 3 for application and response time info).

**edit**
In addition, If the works take longer than either the �Prescribed Period� or the �Reasonable Period�, they become �unreasonably prolonged� � and the highway authority may levy a charge (Section 74 charge) for each day, or part of a day, in excess of the prescribed or reasonable period (from £100 to £2000 based on works category and road category - more here).

Also, the utility can carry out a temporary reinstatement but must complete the permanent reinstatement within 6 months from the date of temp. If they perform a temp reinstatement and wish to return to site at a later date then the permit/notice periods apply for the 2nd phase of works.

Edited by deleted (Mon 30-Jan-12 22:56:13)

Thanks - it is good to see some numbers, but I could have sworn I'd seen a month specified somewhere - can it vary by council? Certainly our cabinet moved along with month (+)-long gaps between each attempt at getting power.

Nevertheless, the real change is on how these rules impact on the planning & scheduling of work for projects like this (non-emergency work). That would be to give too much notice (just in case someone complains about the scale of work); to schedule too many jobs (to make sure the teams are not idle); to cancel jobs (when the team have too much to do); to re-notice & re-plan when the job goes wrong (to make sure there are no fines).

Beaurocracy at its best - and it pretty much guarantees that the rollout of any one cabinet will seem to go in fits & bursts, with long gaps between each. It must be fun to do the project management on this!

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

Thanks - it is good to see some numbers, but I could have sworn I'd seen a month specified somewhere - can it vary by council? Certainly our cabinet moved along with month (+)-long gaps between each attempt at getting power.

Nevertheless, the real change is on how these rules impact on the planning & scheduling of work for projects like this (non-emergency work). That would be to give too much notice (just in case someone complains about the scale of work); to schedule too many jobs (to make sure the teams are not idle); to cancel jobs (when the team have too much to do); to re-notice & re-plan when the job goes wrong (to make sure there are no fines).

Beaurocracy at its best - and it pretty much guarantees that the rollout of any one cabinet will seem to go in fits & bursts, with long gaps between each. It must be fun to do the project management on this!

The notice periods are the same across England (and Wales if I remember correctly). Local Highway authority areas where Permitting is in place will place additional emphasis on the Works promoters to supply conditions to the Streetworks permits (off peak working 09:30 to 15:30 or manually controlling traffic lights on site) as part of the permits.

BT Openreach are planning these cabinet works long before it reaches the Streetworks phase. The Local District Councils will need to establish if any cabinets will require planning permission (conservation areas etc.) before the Local Highway Authority begin to go over Streetworks notices/permits.

My experiences of the rollout aren�t good. I can't say too much but Local Government bureaucracy isn't the problem. The time and patience spent dealing with works promoters and sub-contractors has been a nightmare.

What normally comes first or what is the procedure when installing a fttc cab...is it installing power to the cab or linking the tie cables between the pcp to the fttc cab?

Tie cables usually very soon after cabinet placement.

Hmm, I havent explicitly seen this being done. I know they installed the cab and the extra information that was also included when the cab was being installed is "Install 21m of 1 way poly duct in Footway".

Currently the power is being installed to the cab, they'v dug up road pavement and I can see the power joint attachment.

Maybe they will connect the PCP and FTTC cab after power completion?

Edited by Bobby_Valentino (Sat 04-Feb-12 16:28:27)