In reply to a post by creakycopperline:

I knew this was a BT cronie site.

That doesn't look like a very mature attitude.

Edited by RobertoS (Sun 25-Mar-12 10:09:12)

Remember Infinity is just the name BT Retail gives the service, TalkTalk and Sky also sell the Openreach GEA FTTC service.

As for why not all? Imagine the outcry when every single cabinet inside the M25 was enabled following your line of thinking....and then only one or two more cities around the UK?

Openreach has a target of 2/3rd UK population by 2014, and this means lots of gaps. The next 23% should hopefully benefit from BDUK projects, which may or may not be BT based. Ten cities got given £100m between them last week to improve broadband by UK Gov, and £50m for another smaller ten cities.

So all is not lost, just it is not happening to a timescale you would like.

In reply to a post by creakycopperline:

I know this might have been answered elsewhere on the forum, but i am perplexed as to why openreach seem only fibre half of an area, when more subscribers would join if they did every cab, I've read a section on this on BT's community forums and one exscuse was your cabinet might not be compatible with BT infinity.
!!WHAT!!! ? will it explode if you tried to connect it? the last thing i thought would create a digital divide would be BT itself. i would be facinated as to the real reasons why openreach exclude certain areas. {economics can't be one}

I did ask Tony Estcourt,Product Manager at BT this very question last week and he hadn't a clue and neither have i

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/tony-estcourt/5/2b2/607

As BT Wholesale is just an Openreach customer in the same way TalkTalk is, then that should be no surprise.

If you want the ultimate answer....

Its because of the poor decision by politicians to privatise BT in 1982.

ultimately, thats why we are in the terrible position we are in now. We have had a total lack of investment in this utility almost since the day it was privatised. the network remained stagnant for decades. Its a utility that people cannot do without. selling it off was the mistake.
Business is all about making the most profit, for the least investment. hence you don't get a cabinet, but the bloke at the end of the road does.
Its the same concept with the Post Office (our local collection office closed, nearest one 5 miles away now).
or any other service that the government decides.
(Party Political Broadcast bit)

all three current main parties have let you, and the British people down, generation after generation. you just have to open your eyes to see it.

In reply to a post by creakycopperline:

so it's 512 kbps till i die eh? thank you BT monopoly free to do as we please market.

If your only getting 512k then I would suggest raising a fault with your ISP, as I just picked a random house from your postcode, and the BT wholesale checker states this:

For Address 21 LYNFIELD DRIVE, LIVERSEDGE, WF15 8HH on Exchange CLECKHEATON

Your exchange is ADSL enabled, and our initial check on your address indicates that your line should be able to have an ADSL broadband service that provides a fixed line speed up to 2Mbps.

Our check also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL Max broadband line speed of 5Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 3.5Mbps and 7.5Mbps.

Our check also indicates that your line currently supports an estimated ADSL2+ broadband line speed of 6Mbps; typically the line speed would range between 4Mbps and 8Mbps. Our test also indicates that your line could support an estimated ADSL 2+ Annex-M broadband upstream line speed of 1Mbps and downstream line speed of 6Mbps; typically the downstream speed would range between 4Mbps and 8Mbps.

And the checkers normally under estimate things, my speed is estimated about the same as above but I connect at around 11meg

Edit: Sam knows states the above address is 1361m from the exchange, for my address it shows me as 1600m, so you should be getting far faster than you are.

Edited by R0NSKI (Sun 25-Mar-12 14:22:57)

Even if BT had remained GPO in state hands, I doubt it would have flourished. We'd have still had 10 to 20 year upgrade programmes

BT has removed Strowger, installed System X, installed Collossus ATM network, which is is being replaced by 21CN. Over the last 30 years fibre has crept into the network, to the point where the last remaining copper bits are the local loop, and this is slowly transforming.

Look at the state run BDUK projects, hardly an inspiration for fast moving, rapid to react to changing requirements are they.

BT could have invested more, but then so could every teleco in the UK. Cable co's bankrupted themselves rolling out their FTTN network to half the UK.

It seems that there is a massive amount of people who think they are entilited to anything and everything.

It's not just the riots last year although it brought to a head, there are the higher rate tax payers screaming on the media that they were going to lose their child benefit.

You have pensioners moaning that their tax allowence is capped until the rest of the country catches up.

And you have people screaming that BT has personally insulted them by not upgrading their cabinet. I have even seen one post on another forum saying that there is a conspiracy over why BT won't upgrade their cabinet.

It seems that the "I'm alright Jack" from the 50's has now turned into "gimme gimme gimme or I will scream and scream until I do get it." attitude of the 21'st century.

If you want FTTC get 200 people on your cabinet to shell out £200 each and then Openreach will happily come and upgradde it for you.

By the way I bet very few people will go down that route as when it is time to stump up cash people don't half get deep pockets with short arms.

In reply to a post by Moradin:

If you want the ultimate answer....

Its because of the poor decision by politicians to privatise BT in 1982.

ultimately, thats why we are in the terrible position we are in now. We have had a total lack of investment in this utility almost since the day it was privatised. the network remained stagnant for decades. Its a utility that people cannot do without. selling it off was the mistake.
Business is all about making the most profit, for the least investment. hence you don't get a cabinet, but the bloke at the end of the road does.
Its the same concept with the Post Office (our local collection office closed, nearest one 5 miles away now).
or any other service that the government decides.
(Party Political Broadcast bit)

all three current main parties have let you, and the British people down, generation after generation. you just have to open your eyes to see it.

Actually it was some shocking poor descions coming from previous givernments in the 60's and 70's which started the problems off.

In 1979 the new Conservative gvernment saw how much the contry owed due to over spending by the last Labour government and to balence the books had to sell off the country's assets.

Of course in the enlightened 21st Century governments don't overspend and so we don't get into massive debt spirals.....oh wait we still do.

If you want it so much and you are on an enabled / announced exchnage then look to fund the cab deployment by Openreach by yourselves via your local community