Post deleted by BatBoy

Curiously, the Post Office has embarked on massive withdrawal from villages and towns. Post Office closures are widespread and the queues get longer.

Conversely Openreach Broadband has deployed to more places than get gas, mains sewerage or even TV reception.

The government should stick to running public services badly and remain as far away from broadband as possible.

The GPO doesn't do broadband. But if they did it would probably be the best party line broadband in the world.

In reply to a post by creakycopperline:

we leave our telecoms industry to the free market, then why not our banking system, instead of bailout after bailout.
Robertos It seems therefore the privatisation method works better for customers.
not for customers who are in the final third, and i'm loving the troll accusations, wondered how long it would take for that to come up. why is it when someone points out BT's errors you immediately point to Vigin media
as a person to blame. and to offcom, i know you've said offcom refused openreach to upgrade in the nineties
so did they tell them not upgrade my cabinet?

I assume the first line is addressed to MCM, as that is who you replied to.

The rest appears to be addressed to me. What on earth are you raving about? You seem to be attributing several random inventions to me, emanating so far as I can tell only from whatever is inside your head!

Which post(s) of mine are you objecting to anyway? I honestly have no idea which.

In reply to a post by partial:

Let's face facts here, Nick.

Virgin / Telewest / Eurobell have been active in your town for 20 years.

Logic cuts both ways. My money is on Openreach deploying before Virgin.

Crawley has a highly competitive comms market. Fibre is in town from BT, Virgin, SSE, Global Crossing, Viatel, C&W and many more operators.

You chose to move to a 4 year old estate in the part of town where you did...

My village has no bus service after 6pm. No trains. No LLU and no 21C. Very limited gas and mains sewerage.

I kinda like it here though. However, If these services were important to me, I'd move.

FTTC/P will be available to more than half of the population by 2014. If you want it badly, you need to move to where more than half the population lives.

you make a good point but at the time of moving from the town to where i am now which is only 3 miles in a straight line from the exchange it didn't cross my mind that we would be the last to get the fibre service as all of the mains services for the town itself emanate from just outside our estate / mobile masts/ water/ etc plus the fact we are the hub for the emergency services in the event of getting on to the runway in case of an emergency which is half a mile away

I myself would never need fibre if my ADSL2 line was reliable but that sadly hasn't been the case hence the need to move on to a more reliable system

The fact that BT isn't activating every cab is not an error, they haven't the money to please everyone... the fact they aren't FTTPing the whole country isn't an error, it's economics. The fact they aren't hiring thousands of people so that roll-out could be done in less than 5 years, isn't an error, it is economics...
VM is simply to point out that the same case applies, but in a far more potent way... the companies that rolled out cable to the most of the UK went bankrupt.

As for the final third, Fujitsu's recent statements on the sums not adding up should show how even the white knights have had to revise their promises based on cost realities.

Anyone who really truly needs a connection will get one, such as the B4RN project. The B4RN briefs freely admit that BT nor any other ISP could do the FTTP project for them as they envisage on a commercial basis. But, they because they NEED it have got the funds together and made the effort. And event their costings are high, pro rata ~£20B for full national FTTP.

But the final answer is BT, nor any other ISP, are under any form of obligation what so ever to provide you, or anyone else for that matter, with a fast broadband connection.
Where they are is because they think they can make money.
If they are required to please tell us where the regulation or government document is?

LIfe isn't fair and there is little justice in the this world, pity the lives we lead if there was... we'd be deserving everything that happens to us!

The OP wants to think himself lucky, I was looking at the FTTC spreadsheet last night as someone asked if they will recieve it. There's one road, which is about 3/4 mile long, with houses each side, for some reason it's not included, the roads either side are, even a small close off this road is.

Now thier broadband speeds are terrible, the uplift for the surrounding roads is 65 times, I even found one postcode with an uplift of 144 times!

Has anybody looked at creaky's other posts, every one seems to be complaining about something.

5M download ? http://www.speedtest.net/result/1855322499.png

Clueless as ever. Plonk.

It's such a shame that these forums don't have filters which would then allow users to filter out trolls and the like.

i find it dubious that everyone who posts on this thread coming to BT'S aid, seems to have a 37meg speedtest result, at the bottom, i'm alright jack stuff the rest of you.

another thing if the number of BB subscribers increased in these left out areas, would openreach's position change? personally i doubt it.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Mar-12 16:06:32)

In reply to a post by MCM:

Clueless as ever. Plonk.

It's such a shame that these forums don't have filters which would then allow users to filter out trolls and the like.

there it is again, when you have no defence, call em a Troll.

Edited by deleted (Mon 26-Mar-12 16:15:36)