In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

The actual proof may well be behind the CP interfaces

CP, Communication Providers yes I get that bit. Erm, the overall meaning in plain English please.

CPs have a different web interface to Openreach that mere mortals, and this will include their contractual information, that lays this out in lawyer speak.

The onus is then on the provider to communicate this to the consumer. This is generally done in a manner that states modem is owned by Openreach, and must remain connected to a continuous power supply.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

... people using VDSL2 routers all seem to have some problem or other, though they still work overall.

I'm having no troubles whatsoever with my Fritz!Box 7390 working as a VDSL2 modem / router (on 80/20 and running IPv6 natively on dual stack fwiw).
'My' Openreach modem is available, if required, for any troubleshooting should there be a problem at any point.
I could be wrong, but wasn't ADSL originally in the same position with an engineer install and a BT modem?

In reply to a post by panda:

The T&C's of the product that are supplied to ISP's (as they are the customer of BTW/Openreach) say:

We'll supply and connect a VDSL2 active NTE to the data port of the SSFP. This allows us to monitor and test the product. The active NTE needs to be located within reach of a power supply and must remain connected to the power and data port at all times.

Whether or not the same terms are passed on to the End User by the ISP is another matter.

What you quoted has no relevance to this thread. It does, however, say that I cannot turn it off, as I do when away from home for an extended period .

In reply to a post by Al1264:

I'm having no troubles whatsoever with my Fritz!Box 7390 working as a VDSL2 modem / router (on 80/20 and running IPv6 natively on dual stack fwiw).

But on the other hand, there is this thread about that specific one. Still running.

Of course you're absolutely correct on that one, I should have said 'no troubles whatsoever on the VDSL2/broadband' which is what we're really talking about.
Those who had early (hot) Openreach modems will know that they had their own share of problems

In reply to a post by Alexir:

People often comment that you can't touch the Openreach modem (to hack it or replace it), what's the official position on this does anyone know? Whenever people mention this rule they never follow up with a link to any Ts&Cs, it certainly seems plausible but without evidence is it just a myth?

There is no legal position. It's against the T+Cs to do so but it's not illegal. The VDSL modem becomes the Openreach demarcation point for the FTTC service so anything up to and including the modem is covered by the standard conditions on leaving Openreach stuff alone.

Worst that could happen is Openreach terminate your service for breach of T+Cs, that's it.

Quite why this needed so many responses is beyond me

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

Worst that could happen is Openreach terminate your service for breach of T+Cs, that's it. Quite why this needed so many responses is beyond me

Lots of responses because there are entrenched views and a slightly more complicated situation than at first might seem. Those Ts&Cs you refer to are the terms between Openreach and the Communication Provider, the end user has no relationship with Openreach

Edited by deleted (Mon 23-Apr-12 09:09:31)

In slightly different words I have said that many times, but been told that is not what the question was.

If the modem is the demarcation point then all the people that have changed the filter and cables have also broken the T&Cs