In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

I understand and share your ideal of having a naked line but the truth is that the cost to provision a voice service is small and line rental would need to be required regardless..

They do it in other countries. I know that we would need some line rental, but it can be reduced.

A friend of mine is going onto a new wi-fi type broadband this weekend, and since she don't need a phone line she is getting rid of it and getting something like vonage for her phone.
Her broadband via copper wires is awful and waiting for Bt to decide if fibre is going to be extended around her place once the exchange is done is like waiting for a kettle to boil over a camping fire

I did look at it, but it is a bit expensive to be honest for what they offer, my housing association is saying about giving all its tenants free broadband with the above company, but when that is going to happen I don't know.

& I wish I had your 'local' support however I just cannot justify the local butchers prices, the dairy etc. Sad but true that the world we live in is dominated by the few large successful companies. TESCO for instance get 95 % of my shopping business.

Butcher prices are not that much different to supermarket ones and you get better meat, we got a load of them here, even one virtually next door to our Tescos. Milk i must admit is a little bit more expensive, but I prefer the taste.

I work in a supermarket, because I need a job, but I still like to support smaller companies if I can.

Perhaps the smaller providers should take a similar option of offering bundled services.

Some of them do, ADSL24 for instance offer a bundle for broadband and phone on Talk Talk equipment, but it is still more expensive than Talk Talk own service, but that is not ADSL24 fault, just the way the market is.

I honestly think that providers are in many cases making a loss however overall making a profit. E.g. Sky. I find it hard to understand a truly unlimited service at £7.50... They must be making losses with some customers. Bundling isn't all too bad. It does give us the service cheaper overall. & In a way it does highlight how expensive things would be if they were not bundled.

Most of the larger providers make a slight loss because they hope or force you into having other products with them

BT now force you to have their phone service, hoping that you will use it for all these calls to mobiles, and premium numbers and no doubt hoping you will also buy their TV service.

Talk Talk is the same, but without the TV service at the moment.

Sky is also the same now and hope that you will either get a sky Tv package or keep your sky Tv package. i must admit I am pleased that Sky saw sense and don't force people to have their sky TV package anymore,but felt they went backwards by saying everyone who uses their broadband must also have their phone service.


The reason i chose a cable and wireless product was because I heard good things about it for people with long lines, as there is no profiling ( take note BT, Sky and Talk Talk ) i get a far better sync speed than i ever could get with BT and no doubt Talk Talk. I have seen Sky on long lines and it is pretty good once you had words with them.

Unlimited and no traffic management also helps, sure i would like a bit more speed, but i get a faster speed that if I was with BT.

The price is fine, not as cheap as the big three, but i don't mind paying a little bit more for a decent service, but I do have limits.

The problem with the big three is customer service or the lack of it, at least ADSL24 customer service is in the Uk, even if I only used it once,

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

TESCO for instance get 95 % of my shopping business.

If you are looking for good prices you should really re-evaluate that, the days of Tesco being good value are long gone, Tesco now gets less than 5% of my shopping spend. These days we use Lidl, Aldi & Asda for the bulk of our shopping.

Well, we're constantly working with our suppliers to help us out as best they can, as naturally, the more we sell, the more they benefit too.

To this effect we have some exciting package variations (especially for the higher usage allowances) and also a reduction in the setup fee for new connections and migrations.

We've (finally) signed off the commercials with our supplier so we shall be releasing details on Monday.

Thanks

James

Edited by deleted (Sat 26-May-12 09:50:55)

And that tells us what about the trading names and how they can provide broadband so cheap?

In reply to a post by Going_Digital:

In reply to a post by ukhardy07:

TESCO for instance get 95 % of my shopping business.

If you are looking for good prices you should really re-evaluate that, the days of Tesco being good value are long gone, Tesco now gets less than 5% of my shopping spend. These days we use Lidl, Aldi & Asda for the bulk of our shopping.

The key to success is doing the tescp/asda/morrisons shop *last*. Go to the aldi/lidles first, then go the Icelands/farmfoods and then pick the stuff up you cant get there at the big supermarkets.

The price differentials on some things is huge. Fresh fruit and veg is massively cheaper at lidl/aldi as is most fresh meat, frozen food is best at farmfoods and iceland. The quality is not diminished. The fresh meat from Aldi is superb value and high quality.

But none of those stores have the depth of variety as you get at the big supermarkets. So go there just for those things you cant get elsewhere.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

And that tells us what about the trading names and how they can provide broadband so cheap?

Well the date of incorporation for talktalk was 15/12/2009 does that not mean that was the date they started trading under the brand name talktalk ?
here is what the web site samknows says about their history samknows

In reply to a post by tommy45:

Well the date of incorporation for talktalk was 15/12/2009 does that not mean that was the date they started trading under the brand name talktalk ?

No - the talktalk brand was launched in 2003.

A change in December 2009 is more likely to have to do with getting ready for the fact that they demerged CPW and talktalk in March 2010

In reply to a post by Adsl24:

Well, we're constantly working with our suppliers to help us out as best they can, as naturally, the more we sell, the more they benefit too.

To this effect we have some exciting package variations (especially for the higher usage allowances) and also a reduction in the setup fee for new connections and migrations.

We've (finally) signed off the commercials with our supplier so we shall be releasing details on Monday.

Thanks

James

I know how difficult it is for smaller ISPs and I don't blame them, I blame the the way this country works by allowing big companies and the government for allowing this in my opinion anti-competitiveness to carry on.

I will have to have a peak to see what you got on Monday, as I said at the moment I am fine with how I am as long as who ever ends up buying Cable and wireless don't pull it all from under us.

It is the same in any industry small vs large

Smaller ISP's have always been more expensive it is nothing new

If you have a complaint about it Ofcom are the people to speak with. But what would you have happen? Force large ISP's to increase their prices affecting literally millions of households to help a few handfuls of ISP's?

Smaller ISP's must have known and know now the score when it comes to competing with larger ISP's

In reply to a post by zyborg47:

I know how difficult it is for smaller ISPs and I don't blame them, I blame the the way this country works by allowing big companies and the government for allowing this in my opinion anti-competitiveness to carry on.

Perhaps these smaller ISP's should be allowed/forced to install their own infrastructure rather than piggyback on BT's. Even though you have bought/rent your house how would you feel if the government forced you to share it with me.

Neither is going to happen though.