Is there an activation cost with Sky?
I moved from Be to BT and the only additional cost was £7 for delivery of the HH3.

Do your sums but for me BT was cheaper.
They are really pushing the boat out on infinity2 and it is the best deal they have had for years.

But Sky's takeup of FTTC customers most be miniscule and certainly not enough to max out any exchange capacity.

We seem to have got into a disagreement when we are in fact in agreement.

The red herring was the introduction of ADSLx noise margin settings. You then took that and seemed to criticise all BT Wholesale based services based on the woeful Sky Connect and comparing it with Sky LLU.

Back to FTTC .

In terms of backhaul capacity I think the jury will be out for a considerable time. BT Wholesale clearly have a huge backbone capability, though whether it will be enough (as it is now) for the Olympics and 80Mbps connections during them isn't known by me. Then there is the feed from the exchange into that backbone.

Sky will be dependent on their feed from exchanges into their own network. As has been said, they have a good reputation on that. Though if any shortfall shows up during the Olympics I doubt if they can react as quickly as BTW. Having a "miniscule" takeup so far, (no doubt increasing rapidly), is in my opinion more likely to cause exchange problems than a safety margin. BTW install extra backhaul at an exchange before enabling it. Do Sky?

Maybe they do. We already know they don't automatically accept FTTC at all BTW-enabled ones. So far I've thought that would be to do with the type of DSLAM and the installation of ther GEA links, but maybe backhaul capacity is another upgrade they do beforehand.

BT Retail will be dependent on both the BTW backbone and their own MSIL capacity. That will be interesting to see during the Olympics, when compared with Sky, TT and the premium BTW-based ISPs.

In reply to a post by smouty:

Is there an activation cost with Sky?
I moved from Be to BT and the only additional cost was £7 for delivery of the HH3.

Do your sums but for me BT was cheaper.
They are really pushing the boat out on infinity2 and it is the best deal they have had for years.

I'm not sure because I was already had my broadband with Sky and when I upgraded to fibre I only paid £2.18 for the delivery of the router.

well ive decided to go to bt have asked sky for mac code and as soon as i get it i will order infinity as as it works out cheaper

and i get half speed so..

50/50 chance imo.

In reply to a post by project_x_uk:

well ive decided to go to bt have asked sky for mac code and as soon as i get it i will order infinity as as it works out cheaper

Enjoy torrents donwloading at 10KB/sec during peak time then

If you buy a VPN to facilitate the torrents, then thats extra cost too.

Who uses torrents anymore?

How is BTs usenet performance? I take it they don't throttle that?

It's only one of the most popular file sharing protocols on the Internet.

In reply to a post by Zadeks:

It's only one of the most popular file sharing protocols on the Internet.

P2P meh.

I stopped using it 6 years ago.

usenet is FAR better. Guaranteed full speed of your connection, no uploading rubbish, no having to wait for someone to seed.

I always max out my line using torrents. 20Mb/s upstream makes seeding a breeze. Initial seed is at least a 1Gb/s connection.

No need to pay a monthly fee. No DMCA content take downs.