In reply to a post by John_Gray:

So does that mean that very few large IT projects ever come in on time?

That's what I think. They either get de-scoped or the dates move. Although, some get cancelled which is the ultimate de-scope.

It would be madeness for BT to only install the equipment and power requirements at the exchange for only the cabnets enabled to date. Equally if they have run fibre to one cabinet it is stupid not to do the rest. BT though in my opinion are daft enough to do that. There are plenty of stories of BT starting on a cabinet and then leaving it and coming back to it several times.It must be costing them a fortune return visits are very expensive. It also probably at least partly accounts for the massive delays

In spite of what some posters think it is not rocket science and is in fact pretty straight forward to install a cabinet. THe main variable is with pulling in the fbre but BT should have pretty good recoords of their ducting and should as well be able to come up with an estimate of the number of blockages per km of line

Edited by deleted (Sat 29-Sep-12 18:51:56)

You must be very rich.

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

In spite of what some posters think it is not rocket science and is in fact pretty straight forward to install a cabinet.

How many have you managed, planned and installed?

You come across as somebody who thinks he is an expert pilot because he has managed to land a plane in a Flight Sim.

On the face of it i would agree, but it is just possible that they may be dragging their heels deliberately as we are all too well aware their customer support is based overseas in India, with the recent announcement that they will be extending the cheap install offers to Isp's see Openreach announcement May be they are now also doing a bit of "Indian giving "too, After all this is BT we are talking about ,I wonder how many exchanges listed have 1 been pushed back by at least 3mths,2 have an exchange "accepting orders" but only to upto 288 lines or in my area a max of 576 lines, within areas that already have VM cable , makes you wonder what substances the person who makes these decisions is taking beforehand,
As for the planned routes that the fiber will take they am sure could have easily surveyed most of the ducting by now , it's not as if they are in any rush is it

Edited by tommy45 (Sat 29-Sep-12 20:16:29)

How many engineering projects have you managed, planned and installed?

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

In spite of what some posters think it is not rocket science and is in fact pretty straight forward to install a cabinet. THe main variable is with pulling in the fbre but BT should have pretty good recoords of their ducting and should as well be able to come up with an estimate of the number of blockages per km of line

You really don't have a clue.

Until you actually have something sensible to say why not step away from the keyboard. I've yet to see a sensible or logical post from you, instead all I see is a an obvious lack of any relevant knowledge and a lot of false information, untruths and ill-informed supposition.

You are right it is really easy to install a cab. Openreach do it in two two hour visits, lots of people have watched.

1. Build the plinth.
2. Offload the cab and Bolt it down

Really simple and they do it numerous times every working day.

As everybody keeps telling you but you don't listen. The difficult part is getting everything connected. They all require different skills so are done by different people at different times.

Easy to guess how many blockages per Km but impossible to guess where they are until you find them. Each has then to be cleared before you come back again to pull or blow the fibre through the sub-duct.

You have obviously never had dealings with utility companies for new supply as these are never under SLAs, which deal with existing supply and ALWAYs come before providing new.

Many of the complaints are not to do with massive delays but with cabinets that are not planned. people are just impatient when their house cannot get what they want when they want it.

Reality is in two years since they started properly Openreach have provided FTTC to over 11m of the houses in the country and in the other 13m are a number of vocal people who want theirs today.

You just happen to be one of the most vocal who doesn't like not being first.

WWombat

I have older data, but thought I'd keep it simple using just the last 3 months.

I can look in an earlier file to see how many exchanges badged as June 2012 are not accepting orders so far. If I go back far enough there will be some not done ( South Kensington is one but that is the council fault not BT's).

It would be great to do this on cabinets but not possible unless someone has a list of all those complete, to match with the Dec list of those planned. Judging by comments on here and other places, up to 10% forecast may be discovered as too difficult to do (no 'agreed' place, uneconomic or just take too long). These are now appearing on the Openreach site so people can at least have an idea of what caused theirs to be stopped.

I am waiting till monday to see how many have actually been opened up for the July to Sep period. I do have sympathy for Openreach with the weather we have had over the summer, including last week! It is quite amazing that they have done as many as they have when everything has been under water at least once and sometimes 3/4 times. Must be difficult to dig power in when things are under two foot of water.

If you can get a new cabinet file we could see how many cabs are complete/non complete. But the leak appears to be fixed!.

One of the ISPs could do this and let us know the results, say compare Dec 11 sheet to sep 12 sheet and tell us increase in the number that are live. How many that were planned up to Phase 8a are not live yet. That may put some reality to the cab numbers.
I would not expect more than 85% completed as I believe the sheets were a forecast of what they wanted to do before they had looked at all the detail.

Good news is mine is now live.

I have Project managed projects of over £500K and with far greater complexity than the realativly simple task of installing an FTTC cabinet where some people think getting a power connection to it is a major undertaking. Let me assure you it is not. and let me assure you that power companies do have SLA's for this and average a 95% adherance to it. If BT are saying power is a major problem than the problem is with BT not the utility companies.. Perhaps if they told the utility companies in advance when and where they want the power they would not have a problem. BT';s constant slippage of the schedule must be causing the power companies major problems., THey will have the program plugged into there planning system but as BT's schedule appears to be not worth the paper its is wriiten on it how do they expect the utility companies to be able to respond to a schedule which is like quicksand. If BT say they want to have power installed to a cabinet on Station Road on the 26th June thn the power companies can do it. but if on the 25june they suddenly decided they dont want power there put want it for a cabinet 50 milesa away on the 5th July they will have problems. BT seems to have a random planning and project management system.

Try delivering major communication sytemss to a war zone. You have to get things right.. BT need to stop the endless excuses and get their project management sorted out


Some here seem to think most of the UK has been underwater this summer.m Thats fiction. THere has been flooding in some areas but these have been isolated occurances and not widespread