I would say BT;s requirements come under 1a so 10 days to get a quote.In practice I suspect it will be quicker but 10 days is the SLA so you have to work to that

I think BT would come under section 2B so 10 days for that and section 2 I would reckon 3a again 10 days so a total of 30 days with this utility company

They maybe able to pull things forward in some cases but for plaaning purposes you would have to work to the 30 days

You can only quote the power companies typical SLA's one company seem to work to 30 days. If BT have notified the utility company to the SLA the power could be installed as soon as the cabinet is there and the concrete set so zero delay

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

Nornmal approach with this sort of thing is Project Manage A liases with project manage B to ensure everything is running to schedule and if not to take action to ensure it is bought back into schedule. With major projects you can usually flex and juggle the schedule slightly so if Cabinet A is not ready the power company does cabinet B

You really are learning a lot from that software you've found, aren't you.

The trouble is, being a freebie, it is for simple jobs, not 30,000 per year similar jobs - 2-3000 of those running in parallel at any one time.

I would say it would cost BT more to not schedule the power as one the cabinet is installed it is a billing event and BT get invoiced for it.

One opinion; one conditional; two almost certainly incorrect synonymous statements. Not bad, even for you.

Normal payment terms are 90 days fromm invoice

Between which companies?

Project Managers are paid quite well to deal with these sort of headaches

Indeed. Don't you wish you had the ability to do such a job?

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

Are you suggesting that BT have so little confidence in their program that they are not prepared to ask for Power until the cabinet appears in the street? Nornmal approach with this sort of thing is Project Manage A liases with project manage B to ensure everything is running to schedule and if not to take action to ensure it is bought back into schedule.

I'm saying that it is a risk that any cabinet is delayed. Normal project management means identifying risks, and mitigating them.

If BT ran the project with "just in time" delivery, so power arrived the day after the cabinet, there'd be considerably more risk - and more project management liasing required. More risk that people end up with nothing to do - and that's a big aspect of the cost of the project.

Less risky - by a long margin - is to order power when you know there is a cabinet present, with no more work to be done on it.

I imagine that real-life experience, of this project,has taught them how to run this project. Do you have any real-life experience of this project?

If normal project management means A liases with B, what happens when there are 650 project managers to liase? Might that project be a little bigger than normal?

With major projects you can usually flex and juggle the schedule slightly so if Cabinet A is not ready the power company does cabinet B

You're nearly there with the concept, but not the scale. Remember that there are 3,000 cabinets per quarter that need to be juggled - along with the people that need to work on them. Add in cabinets C, D, E, ... ABA, ABC, ABD, ... etc

In my business, the technology is complicated enough. But the things that add real complexity are the things you need to interface/liase with. As the amount of liasing increases linearly, the complexity of liasing increases at the square.

I would say it would cost BT more to not schedule the power as one the cabinet is installed it is a billing event and BT get invoiced for it. Normal payment terms are 90 days fromm invoice

I doubt the terms of the contract are anything like so simplistic. Have I mentioned the scale before now?

Nonetheless, you are right that running the project this way will cost a little more in terms of missed revenue. Perhaps not 6 weeks' worth, on average, but still missed. However, I believe that costs would spiral out of control if BT attempted to make the job more complicated.

I guess it depends what is more important to them.

In reply to a post by Bob_s2:

I would say BT;s requirements come under 1a so 10 days to get a quote.In practice I suspect it will be quicker but 10 days is the SLA so you have to work to that

I think BT would come under section 2B so 10 days for that and section 2 I would reckon 3a again 10 days so a total of 30 days with this utility company

They maybe able to pull things forward in some cases but for plaaning purposes you would have to work to the 30 days

The document linked to isn't an SLA. It's just a guide to their normal turnaround.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

Just hit me how cheap SSFB really is in the retail market! compared to cost at those returns surprises me Openreach can afford to do anything!

You meant wholesale, right?

The UK model has definitely given us cheap broadband deals, but it isn't giving us the money to invest in the future kit we need as a nation.

You are not reading the info provided, see http://www.northernpowergrid.com/page/guide_prices_a...

"Average time to get a connection from Payment"

You pay 6 weeks later you get connected. Average cost £1900 up front.

You will find the Cabinets come on a 'Pay when first used' contract so no capital cost for the equipment until they are switched on.

http://www.northernpowergrid.com/som_download.cfm?t=...

"Once payment is made we will contact you within the set time (7 days) to agree (delivery) dates"

The power companies don't plan any dates until after they are paid!

I'd suggest you are likely to get a delay in those instances where the utilitiy responds to the survey with a problem, at which point the provide process stalls

I was thinking cost to the customer against cost of provision of the service.
Assuming all connection charges cover connection costs (including cablelink)

As a Retail customer the ISP takes £150 per annum for backhaul, Internet connectivity, etc (Infinity £20/pcm £240 pa).

Openreach charge per annum for 40/10 is £88.80.

Looking at the Investment Openreach are making, how they can (re) cover it with £90 per year per customer must be stunningly tight. I reckon they should be charging more like £150 per year on a commercial basis.

I wouldn't want to invest on that risk profile, especially knowing that computing type kit needs replacing every 5-8 years even if not obsolecent earlier.

They must be betting everything on a penetration of much higher than 30%, against the 10% BT is reporting in the best areas at present.

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Ours was more like 2-3 weeks from the cabinet arriving to the humming starting.
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Ok for some. Our cab has been sitting there since late March, & still no power to it