More used to dealing with Kevlar protected fibre

Yes it can be counter productive. It is possible to do works using the same trenches but in this case that was not possible as they were close but not in exactly the same place.

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In reply to a post by omgFTTC:

I have, and being a geek if you will back in June I took a screen shot, which showed missed works at my pcp and future works

So they cancelled the June works when they found problems with the ducts, as would make sense rather than leaving a cabinet idle and out in the street.

No this wasn't cancelled work this was work that was booked in june, for oct/nov and was a line of work
heading all the way out to last PCP in my area

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

Yes, they have tried to pull in the blown fibre tube, but have met blockages, a collapsed duct maybe. Once they have cleared said route, and pulled in the BFT, then, they will blow the fibre through it and make the relevant splices to provide a feed to the DSLAM cab.

Why are you getting so uptight when you clearly don't understand what is fully involved ?

why havent BT been maintaining the ducts?

Same reason VM and everyone else doesn't maintain them, prohibitively time consuming and expensive to inspect ducts constantly. The only time they get worked on is when things go wrong.

In reply to a post by omgFTTC:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by omgFTTC:

I have, and being a geek if you will back in June I took a screen shot, which showed missed works at my pcp and future works

So they cancelled the June works when they found problems with the ducts, as would make sense rather than leaving a cabinet idle and out in the street.

No this wasn't cancelled work this was work that was booked in june, for oct/nov and was a line of work
heading all the way out to last PCP in my area

Openreach don't book street works that far in advance unless they've a reason to, such as discovering blocked ducting and finding issues getting permission to carry out remedial work due to existing works per your original post, or having another reason for having to defer original plans back.

Most of the street works in my area appear maybe a couple of weeks before the actual cabinet appears. A whole chain of work indicates issues that've triggered that chain.

If I may say, you're ridiculously skittish, you're posting like crazy over a few months delay. There are people who've been delayed by close to 2 years for various reasons and others who've had their FTTC installs cancelled over blocked ducts. I don't see many people obsessively posting looking for the email address of the contractor. I can't say it's occurred to me to start writing to Harlequin Ltd's executives in no small part because they're not working for me, they're working for Openreach.

You've been given an explanation for current delays, whether you accept it or not things aren't going to change, and frankly given the expense Openreach will be going to to clear the blockages you're lucky you're getting FTTC at all, as I've said a number of people have seen their cabinets deferred from the current rollout altogether.

May I suggest if you consider your quite detailed response such a fob off that you write back to Openreach informing them of this. If you wish I'll be happy to show you an exchange with Openreach that is an actual fob off.

I would understand if you were unhappy about the placeholder dates, I am, but you seem a stroppy child stamping their foot and having a tantrum - not constructive.

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In reply to a post by omgFTTC:

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

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So they cancelled the June works when they found problems with the ducts, as would make sense rather than leaving a cabinet idle and out in the street.

No this wasn't cancelled work this was work that was booked in june, for oct/nov and was a line of work
heading all the way out to last PCP in my area

Openreach don't book street works that far in advance unless they've a reason to, such as discovering blocked ducting and finding issues getting permission to carry out remedial work due to existing works per your original post, or having another reason for having to defer original plans back.

Most of the street works in my area appear maybe a couple of weeks before the actual cabinet appears. A whole chain of work indicates issues that've triggered that chain.

If I may say, you're ridiculously skittish, you're posting like crazy over a few months delay. There are people who've been delayed by close to 2 years for various reasons and others who've had their FTTC installs cancelled over blocked ducts. I don't see many people obsessively posting looking for the email address of the contractor. I can't say it's occurred to me to start writing to Harlequin Ltd's executives in no small part because they're not working for me, they're working for Openreach.

You've been given an explanation for current delays, whether you accept it or not things aren't going to change, and frankly given the expense Openreach will be going to to clear the blockages you're lucky you're getting FTTC at all, as I've said a number of people have seen their cabinets deferred from the current rollout altogether.

May I suggest if you consider your quite detailed response such a fob off that you write back to Openreach informing them of this. If you wish I'll be happy to show you an exchange with Openreach that is an actual fob off.

I would understand if you were unhappy about the placeholder dates, I am, but you seem a stroppy child stamping their foot and having a tantrum - not constructive.

checkers etc stated at the beginning June, then Sept, now Dec, whats annoying me is if they were fully aware and all work booked up until Nov, then Ive just wasted months checking etc.

Then planned to fail, why not just admit failing in June?

Because to them it is just another cabinet out of the 20,000 to 40,000 they are working on, so it vanishes in sea of project planning and can get overlooked.

There have been cabinets announced, and then withdrawn from the list totally in the past when the costs upon further investigation were found to be too high.

In reply to a post by MrSaffron:

Because to them it is just another cabinet out of the 20,000 to 40,000 they are working on, so it vanishes in sea of project planning and can get overlooked.

There have been cabinets announced, and then withdrawn from the list totally in the past when the costs upon further investigation were found to be too high.

That is the thing tho, not just my cabinet the whole exchange was planned to fail in June.

So why did you not start of with saying that, as your first post talks about your cab, not the complete exchange.

if its the exchange then more likely it is the major backhaul fibres they are having trouble with. Does the exchange already offer a WBC ADSL2+ service from BT Wholesale?

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So why did you not start of with saying that, as your first post talks about your cab, not the complete exchange.

if its the exchange then more likely it is the major backhaul fibres they are having trouble with. Does the exchange already offer a WBC ADSL2+ service from BT Wholesale?

The exchange may well be a child of a larger exchange whether it has WBC or not, indeed if it's not very large that's pretty much assured. If the entire exchange is affected then problems with backhaul to the parent exchange and the headend there would definitely explain the delay.