Andrew

There are 1.7m Postcodes in the list, but only 1.2 have OK data in. Some do not exist in reality( No Premises) some have too little data 1/2 houses only.

It does show where 'NGA' is available and not available but there is no premises count to work out coverage etc.

Too late at night for me now and too big to do anything easily even in Access.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

I don't believe the RFS Cabinet data is supplied to ISPs as that wouldn't help as they wouldn't know which number is on which Cab.

ISPs have access to the updated versions of the leaked spreadsheets. Fact.

I have a feeling that line/cabinet info is also available to them, but wouldn't swear to it.

Now every single post code in my area has a yellow pin with the same generic info on the delay.
We need more information from the yellow pin of disappointment.

In reply to a post by kitcat:

Tommy was asking for Data on Cabinets that are RFS,

I don't believe the RFS Cabinet data is supplied to ISPs as that wouldn't help as they wouldn't know which number is on which Cab.

What would be available is access to a database of Postcodes via the postcode checker, same as the data quoted.

Also access to a Number checker that says exactly which line is available same as the Customer visible Wholesale and Infinity checkers. This would also have 'nearly live' line test data to give expected speeds.

For live areas served by BT not LLU I think we see the same data on the public checkers as the ISP use, although they may have slightly more technical info. Only for Sky and TalkTalk unbundled lines they, (Sky and Talktalk), have not made the number info publicly available as they don't want their customers 'poached'.

BT get slated on here for not making info public, but they are completely open once they know that the cab can be served. (BTWholesale and BTRetail that is)

ISP's or at least some know which cabs are accepting orders = (RFS) But what info they have access to i ain't sure, could be some type of data base from BT wholesale,or they have some way of using the existing adsl checker info to extract this info on each post code area served by each exchange , = so isp can just search the exchange name,and all FTTC cabs that are accepting orders are listed that i am 99.9% sure exists although it may not be always up to date

Why are you both rabbiting on about whether or not ISPs have the updated versions of the leaked spreadsheets? And whether or not they have access to the RFS data?

The answer to both is yes they do.

What differs between ISPs is who on their staff gets to know about it. It seems to be that the bigger the ISP the less their "customer-facing" staff know. No surprise there!

How they use that data also seems to vary. BT Retail apparently being quite laggardly sometimes in updating its internal lookups. It is quite common for people here to be able to sign up to FTTC with a smaller ISP when "Infinity" is still not available to them - and not because of a low speed estimate.

In reply to a post by RobertoS:

Why are you both rabbiting on about whether or not ISPs have the updated versions of the leaked spreadsheets? And whether or not they have access to the RFS data?

The answer to both is yes they do.

What differs between ISPs is who on their staff gets to know about it. It seems to be that the bigger the ISP the less their "customer-facing" staff know. No surprise there!

How they use that data also seems to vary. BT Retail apparently being quite laggardly sometimes in updating its internal lookups. It is quite common for people here to be able to sign up to FTTC with a smaller ISP when "Infinity" is still not available to them - and not because of a low speed estimate.

Well after spending around 1hr doing some research inputting multiple adress and post code info into the bt checker, i notice that openreach have announced a nearby smaller exchange is accepting orders, and there is at least 1 FTTC cab RFS the exchange wasn't planned until dec12 that may make them look good, but this is at a cost of further delays to others my exchange after being brought fowards only to be pushed back again ,

was accepting orders back in sept if not a little before, i have established so far that a further 1 FFTC cab, totalling 3 out of around 20 FFTC installed cabs are now accepting orders,

but once again they are cherry picking VM media cabled areas,
They must be really stupid if they belive that they will get a substantial take up in those areas, They have no chance, this sort of thing really boils my urine

Edited by tommy45 (Wed 21-Nov-12 01:27:37)

Here you go again quoting a complete post when it's unnecessary. In this case not even relevant to what you have posted in reply to it. It is an extremely tiresome and space-wasting thing to do, and makes it far harder to see what you are actually replying to. Therefore it is counter-productive.

YOU CAN EDIT WITHIN A QUOTE BEFORE POSTING!!!!!! Or just copy & paste the relevant part of a post within quote marks. Everyone can see what post you are replying to from the post headers anyway so the link produced by using the Quote button is merely a convenience - so that people can quickly get to the full post replied to if they wish to read it all - a function negated by your slipshot and lazy way of using it.

Pleasssssee pretty please, be more considerate, and help yourself get your arguments across more clearly at the same time. See how much easier it is to follow what people who use quotations sensibly are talking about.

In reply to a post by tommy45:

Nothing to stop several isp's comparing such data they have to find these delibrate errors before making some or all of that info available, minus the error/s designed to identify who leaked the info, Or do they BT expect members of the public to request the info via a freedom of information request, There IMO is no real justified reasoning behind their secrecy apart from to hide their ineptness perhaps

So in order to get timely and accurate information you want the data to be edited by other companies before being released? Yeah that should do wonders to speed up the process and ensure accuracy :-/

Freedom of Information requests are between citizens and the government. They allow us as citizens to find out what the government has been doing. BT is not owned by the government so FoI is irrelevant. Only Ofcom has the power to make BT publish internal planning and progress reports. Frankly people like you are part of why so many companies choose to say nothing. They still get criticised but at least they avoid the hassle of publishing information.

Edited by Andrue (Wed 21-Nov-12 10:09:14)

In reply to a post by GMAN98:

You really are making a name for yourself Bob you remind me of another person who used to haunt this site/forum

Didn't he get badly burnt after being called onto the carpet?

LOL. I've often wondered what happened to him.