Edited by deleted (Sun 12-May-13 00:51:55)

NGA roadworks are all over the place, the dig points/footway boxes may be close to you but that doesn't mean that fibre under a road or path near you equals fibre for you, which does unfortunately seem like the ultimate problem for you here. If moving works, then go for it, I was wrong to assume it might be a drastic course of action. BUT:

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

Although a neighbor has e-mailed the NGA address offering to pay the 30K to get the cab upgraded. I bet it's still turned down.

...definitely see how that works out

He owns a car lot not far from where he lives and he has a leased line which i near term end. He says this is a better option and will benefits his family and the community more.

Does he know where the fibre terminates and what kind of termination it is, i.e. what can be done to achieve what? if he has a leased line then I don't see how it will benefit him, unless he means that his family lives nearby and a DSLAM for your PCP will bring FTTC to them. Does he know for sure which PCP they are all connected to? I'm guessing now, but you can see what I'm thinking.

Doesn't make any difference to what I'd do though, if someone is putting up the £30K for your PCP to have a DSLAM twin then I'd encourage him and watch it happen!

Edited by deleted (Sun 12-May-13 01:05:42)

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I've seen 100 metres mentioned as an absolute limit, and 50 metres as the preferred maximum. But not in a way that I'd say was an absolute statement by BT.

OR's official spec is "preferably 2m-50m", and the absolute ISIS limit is 100m. I might be able to find a document online to back this up.

Edited by deleted (Sun 12-May-13 01:59:28)

In reply to a post by pcoventry76:

NO a few hundred homes.

It depends whether they are all served by your cabinet, or the red one 100 metres down the road.

The cabinet at the red marker really does look like a BT cabinet, so I guess it is indeed being converted. That means the roadworks are highly unlikely to be for your cabinet.

I can't see a BT cabinet at the yellow marker, only a pair of what looks like cable cabinets. But that is too far away to be work for your cabinet.

... and appreciate my frustration.

Understood. I know how frustrated I was getting while my cabinet sat there idle, unused for months while all around were active.

But you have had a good set of advice on here, and you seem to be getting more and more wound up, in spite of what is said.

So please remember...
- Any work for your cabinet is going to be less than 80-100 metres away, and probably less than 40-50 metres away
- Having used streetview, I can say that BT would almost certainly put an FTTC cabinet on the same verge as your existing cabinet, at worst on the other side of the street light.
- If Openreach have responded by email to tell you that they aren't upgrading, then they're probably right.
- That leaves two avenues - Superfast Wales, or throwing money at Openreach.

Throwing money at Openreach has worked for, I think, Binfield Heath parish council, where two cabinets required funding of £60k. That's good for you, as it means Openreach aren't rejecting such approaches out-of-hand.

However, Openreach might just turn your friend down simply because he is a single person.They might respond better if there is some sign of community cohesion there (because it helps assure them of take-up), so an approach of a group via the local council may be better.

So if the fibre being laid is only for the area around the Red then what about my mate, me and the rest of the houses all going round here? there are a fair few they will be missing!

Yes. BT are only funding a 67% rollout coverage, so there are plenty of people who will miss out - about 9 million homes. Some of those will fall just outside viability, while others will be a long way off.

Which are you? Hard to say, but it looks like you'd be close to viable. Unless the cabinet has very few lines.

The thing that bugs me is that maybe, just maybe the roadworks site is wrong? I have always assumed a fibre cab must be put next to a normal PCP? Or is that wrong?

Within 100 metres.

Here, they seem to deliberately site the FTTC cabinet across the road from PCP, even if there was room. In other places, they've tended to be placed adjacent. In old locations with narrow pavements, I've seen them placed around a couple of corners down a side-street.

The roadworks data I have seen usually specifies the location pretty well - such as "Outside number 86". I have no idea how accurate the mapping is, but the location written into each one is, in my experience, usually accurate.

If so and it's wrong fair enough but if right then I am scratching my head because there is no cab anywhere near the Red smidge - the nearest one is mine! which as you can see is not far away. (i've walked round and round trying to find this box)

Err... did you look across the road?

This one certainly looks to be a PCP cabinet:
Google Maps

Does he know where the fibre terminates and what kind of termination it is

Just because it's a leased line, it doesn't follow that this is provided via fibre. Many are not.

In reply to a post by gazzyk1ns:

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

I've seen 100 metres mentioned as an absolute limit, and 50 metres as the preferred maximum. But not in a way that I'd say was an absolute statement by BT.

OR's official spec is "preferably 2m-50m", and the absolute ISIS limit is 100m. I might be able to find a document online to back this up.

I remember where I saw it - FEN.

Edit: Best not to post links I suppose.

Edited by deleted (Sun 12-May-13 18:00:53)

Ah, the joys of Field Engineering News, like the Screwfix catalogue, ideal toilet reading ! Have kept every issue I was ever sent.

It would seem that you are on PCP 45, and you're friends car lot is on PCP 27, so whilst it would benefit him at home, it won't make any difference to the car lot upgrading your cabinet.

I was hoping your postcode was in the leaked December 2011 spreadsheet, but it's not. If it was we could have seen how many post codes were covered by your cab, and mapped them.

When I first started mapping our local area, I enquired about two cabinets not being done, NDBRO 5 & NDBRO 21, they are shown here. NDBRO 21 serves 1 road, about 200 houses, but probably has the worse broadband in our area (sub 1Mbps), NBRO 5 serves a large area, probably 500 - 600 houses and was not included in the initial roll out but has since been upgraded, a result of my emails I wonder.

It's highly likely that your cab only serves a small area, and is not viable, or has simply been overlooked like PCP 5 above was.

You could find the area covered, although time consuming just expand your search area out wards checking the house number and postcode on the checker, once you have a list of houses affected walk around them and get a petition signed, that coupled with your mates offer should help things along.

Edited by deleted (Sun 12-May-13 12:09:16)

When I looked at the map earlier, I suspected that cab 45 was added late to the game, and only supplied the houses up William Morris Drive (which look newer than the area of Chepstow Road). If that was true, I'd expect to see the cabinets on either side (along Chepstow Rd) to be lower numbers.

Since then, I got bored, so did some checking, using google maps, the royal mail postcode finder, and the BT Wholesale checker. Here's what I found...

As Chepstow Road leads out of Newport, the side roads are connected as follows:
Cab 8 - Springfield Dr, Bloomfield Cl, Noble Ct, part of Bishpool Ln
Cab 27 - part of Bishpool Ln, Eisteddfod Wk, Treberth Cr, Treberth Way,
Cab 45 - William Morris Dr, George Lansbury Dr
Cab 9 - Royal Oak Hill, Benbow Rd, Llanwern Rd

So cab 45 only seems to cover the small area that those two roads lead into. And, as expected, it seems to be a relative newcomer, adding capacity to older cabinets for that estate only.

I then double checked the number of properties in that estate. It looks like there is a total of 240 properties on 6 roads.

This low number is probably why you aren't considered viable in the commercial rollout. However, it isn't a pitifully low number, which explains why it will be considered as part of the BDUK funding. Especially as fibre & power will roll straight past.