Mine's moved to 30th September. However, this is just the next quarterly holding date. I'm hoping that it will go live before then.

Update from SFNY is that in relation to PCP1 there are a number of blocked and broken ducts that need sorting. Now hoping that my cab will be AO by end of September and not pushed back any further. I also found out that network rearrangements will take place to deal with the cluster of businesses in the centre of Pateley that are on EO lines. However, no indication of planned roadworks yet to indicate when this will take place although this is ment to be done by the end of September according to SFNY. Bad news is that no other cabs on the exchange are due to be upgraded.

Are these SFNY updates online anywhere? All i can see on the website is the generic stuff about how / where / when. (Maybe a twitter feed?).
Thanks.

They do have a Twitter feed but if you want specific information then e-mail them. The e-mail address is on the website.

I had an interesting e-mail exchange with someone from TalkTalk head office towards the end of last week.
Basically I had asked whether they had any plans to unbundle my Market 1 exchange (which was 21CN enabled about a year ago and is due to get FTTC in Sept via BDUK). They said that they planned to unbundle the exchange as soon as it was fibre enabled so that they could provide TalkTalk ADSL2+ LLU and FTTC services. Whilst I am not a TalkTalk customer I�m hoping that that they are true to their word as it should mean that I can get FTTC from Plusnet (my current ISP) for only a few quid more than I am paying at the moment for ADSL2+ (if they/Samknows recognises my exchange as being Market 2) . I did try and contact Sky about whether they had any LLU plans for my exchange but I haven�t had any response as yet. It would be interesting to see if this is going to be a trend with Market 1 exchanges that are FTTC enabled via BDUK projects. Given that, �The TalkTalk LLU network is the largest ADSL2+ network in the UK, with the 2,724 exchange covering approximately 95% of the UK population, and expansion has not finished the provider is looking to add another 300 exchanges in the next year (previous year saw 216 exchanges added)� (http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/5847-talktalk-results-show-tv-is-growing-rapidly-as-broadband-driver.html) this does add some credibility to the information that I have received. Just a few more months wait to find out.

Sorry but exchanges are only re-classified when OFCOM does a re-classification survey.
Not when a LLU operator arrives.
These are done every few years - last was 2010.

This is deliberate

The classification scheme allows LLU operators to gain extra profits from mkt 1 exchanges and acts as an incentive for them to go into an exchange in the first place.
If the exchange was immediately re-classified as a mk2 exchange upon LLU arrival then the incentive for them to arrive in the first place has just gone.
By delaying re-classification of exchanges therefore OFCOM gives a certain time period in which the LLU operator can make extra profits out of it and thus make it financially viable for him to make the capital investment to install the equipment at the start.

The whole objective behind the scheme is indeed to encourage LLU operators to go into small market 1 exchanges and to stimulate competition.

I realise that the next Ofcom review of this will occur in March 2014. However, my point was that as a consumer I will either benefit from the lower LLU prices - if I choose to move to that LLU provider/reseller or that my ISP (Plusnet in this case) have confirmed that they will charge me the equivalent of their cheaper Market 2/3 rates once a non BTW provider shows up as being active on my exchange.

In reply to a post by desouzr:

I realise that the next Ofcom review of this will occur in March 2014. However, my point was that as a consumer I will either benefit from the lower LLU prices - if I choose to move to that LLU provider/reseller or that my ISP (Plusnet in this case) have confirmed that they will charge me the equivalent of their cheaper Market 2/3 rates once a non BTW provider shows up as being active on my exchange.

Plusnet will give you Market 2/3 rates even though they're still going to be paying Market 1?

Interesting.

Well that's what they said. I'll see what happens in practice.

In reply to a post by zom22:

This is deliberate

The classification scheme allows LLU operators to gain extra profits from mkt 1 exchanges and acts as an incentive for them to go into an exchange in the first place.

I'm not entirely sure this is correct, even if it sounds wonderful.

The Ofcom classification was done based on both the knowledge of where LLU unbundling had already happened, *and* based on where the LLU operators were planning to exand to - though based on plans at the time.

If the classification was done using future plans, then surely market 1 exchanges would have jumped to market 2 or 3 well before the operators actually went live, and preventing these "extra profits" - totally opposite to the effect you describe as "deliberate".

For example, the Ofcom report on WBA (2010) made the following definition: "Market 1: exchanges where only BT is present or forecast to be present (11.7 per cent of premises)" with a footnote of "In assessing forecasted plans we have only counted operators as present where they have firm plans to deploy in specific exchanges."