In reply to a post by MCM:

I am skeptical they will be able to meet their May 2014 commercial roll out date.

So on the basis of problems with just one cab of tens of thousands you feel able to say that BT will fail to meet their target date. I find that amazing.

Given your insight and understanding of all the various problems that might and can be encountered when installing a network of the size of BT's perhaps you should you consider offering your services to BT as a project manager.

I find your optimism amazing. It's not difficult to work out the scale of the problems based on real world evidence confirmed by keeping your eyes open.

Half the commercial cabinets in Birmingham haven't even been installed yet or scheduled for install. So even if we account for an optismistic installation of the cabinet for say, start of December (hugely optimistic), it could still take them six months to resolve the issues! Sl yes, I am skeptical.

While I see problems and delays and lack of activity and question, of course, I cannot be absolutely sure of my position. But of course your argument is a straw man because you can't be sure of your position either, unless you work for OpenReach? Why do you attack the opinion of those that differs from your rose tinted spectacles?

There is many posts here who work for BT/.OR or other companys in the know.

In reply to a post by sjdean:

While I see problems and delays and lack of activity and question, of course, I cannot be absolutely sure of my position. But of course your argument is a straw man because you can't be sure of your position either, unless you work for OpenReach? Why do you attack the opinion of those that differs from your rose tinted spectacles?

You are the one with a position. I was simply marvelling at your insight and seemingly total knowledge of what was happening and simply suggesting that with so much to offer that you should consider helping BT.

As for myself I accept that BT have passed by my neighbours and myself, as have VM. All 75 properties have EO lines in central London. BT aren't interested for less than £30K, London has no BDUK funding and the mayor is only interested in SMEs.

In reply to a post by MCM:

You are the one with a position. I was simply marvelling at your insight and seemingly total knowledge of what was happening and simply suggesting that with so much to offer that you should consider helping BT.

Strawman. You called questionned my positioning, do you know better? You too have a position otherwise there would be no opposition. Seriously, if you know better, please tell me, otherwise your conjecture is no different to mine. Actually mines probably a bit more valid based on what I see in my area. Do you live in Birmingham?

In reply to a post by epyon:

There is many posts here who work for BT/.OR or other companys in the know.

And I eagerly await one of those people actually telling me what the hold up is!

In reply to a post by sjdean:

And I eagerly await one of those people actually telling me what the hold up is!

That information is internal Openreach information that you have no right to, and which might be commercially sensitive.

In some cases, Openreach employees with inside knowledge of particular issues will post some information. Considering the numerous posts you have made about your cabinet already, I can only conclude that either nobody is reading who has any inside information for you, or those with information do not wish to be dragged into your hypothesising based little more than your own suppositions.


The answer to when will your cabinet be ready for service remains "when and if Openreach enable it".

In reply to a post by sjdean:

In reply to a post by MCM:

^{You are the one with a position. I was simply marvelling at your insight and seemingly total knowledge of what was happening and simply suggesting that with so much to offer that you should consider helping BT.}

As for myself I accept that BT have passed by my neighbours and myself, as have VM. All 75 properties have EO lines in central London. BT aren't interested for less than £30K, London has no BDUK funding and the mayor is only interested in SMEs.

Do you live in Birmingham?

Sarcasm? Or were you so incensed you didn't read the paragraph after the one you quoted?
_{Edit - punctuation change for clarity.}

Edited by RobertoS (Mon 04-Nov-13 19:37:54)

In reply to a post by sjdean:

Strawman. You called questionned my positioning, do you know better? You too have a position otherwise there would be no opposition. Seriously, if you know better, please tell me, otherwise your conjecture is no different to mine. Actually mines probably a bit more valid based on what I see in my area. Do you live in Birmingham?

You clearly don't have a clue as to what is involved, you also appear to have a comprehension problem either that or you cannot read.

In reply to a post by sjdean:

Strawman. You called questionned my positioning, do you know better? You too have a position otherwise there would be no opposition. Seriously, if you know better, please tell me, otherwise your conjecture is no different to mine. Actually mines probably a bit more valid based on what I see in my area. Do you live in Birmingham?

It is pointless yelling "Strawman" at someone who merely has a different opinion to yours when you have freely admitted that you might be wrong. It's also the wrong term.

For the big picture, it is pointless trying to look at a single cabinet, or a single exchange, or a single area, and attempting to extrapolate nationally. Someone has to be first, and someone has to be last. And the bit in the middle doesn't have to be a homogeneous mix. Looking locally can seriously blinker you - either positively or negatively.

For the big picture, it is best to look at the rate that BT have announced how many premises have been passed... that figure tells you how close they are to the target: 67% of premises by Spring 2014, which amounts to somewhere around the 19 million figure.

In the recent quarterly results, announced for Sept '13, they had reached 17 million premises. The progress has continued at a rate of between 1 and 2 million premises every quarter - it was announced as 16m in June 13, 15m in March 13, 13m in Dec 12, 12m in Sept 12, 11m in June 12, 10m in March 12, 7m in Dec 11, 6m in Sep 11, 5m in June 11, 4m in March 11. Those are figures from the various quarterly results; more exact timings can be gleaned from the press releases (for example, that 3m was hit in Nov '10).

The rates reported a couple of years ago were 80,000 premises per week, or 300 cabinets - and these seem to have been sustained continuously since.

There is plenty of evidence that they can achieve a rate of 1m premises per quarter.

Their original target was to hit 10m in 2012 and the two-thirds figure in 2015. There is plenty of evidence that they are way ahead of those targets.

If they've reached 17 million, they have 2 million left to go in the commercial rollout, and a further 8 months to get there. Sounds plausible? It does to me - and certainly isn't as catastrophically late as you are making out from your local knowledge.

In reply to a post by WWWombat:

It is pointless yelling "Strawman" at someone who merely has a different opinion to yours when you have freely admitted that you might be wrong. It's also the wrong term.

I'll snip the rest of your praises for BT which really doesn't go anywhere near to explain why they have installed my cabinet, but seemingly not done any roadworks on it in order to get it activated... nor is my local councillor aware of any planned roadworks, the September date was a fallacy, the December date is growing to be a fallacy which will be reached in 10 days (taken from the context of how BT appear to be activating other cabinets). The works aren't even being done in any seemingly logical order - if they were we'd see some sign they were actually doing something - not necessarily any roadworks, but "something". But there's nothing.

Everything I said right at the beginning is sounding true, which is my cabinet does not sound like a priority.

Your praises of BT do nothing more than to really prove what I believe to be true in that they have their own internal schedules.