In reply to a post by sjdean:

I'll snip the rest of your praises for BT which really doesn't go anywhere near to explain why they have installed my cabinet, but seemingly not done any roadworks on it in order to get it activated...

I didn't find the other post to be particularly "praising" BT but simply presenting some figures which appear to contradict your view (I'll take it for granted, for now, that the figures are correct, not having checked them, but have not considered there much benefit in anyone presenting the wrong data, when it can be openly discussed and if wrong, proven to be so).

In my area, the availability check on 'superfast-openreach.co.uk' was saying the service was due to go live in September 2012, and I had seen a new cabinet for the fibre kit installed in July/August. Then, at the end of September, when I had just cancelled a contract with Three on the basis I'd be able to get fibre, the date slipped to December, then March 2013, then June 2013. (Presumably because of the floods last year, which caused delays in many regions.)

I was annoyed, yes, and rather impatient (esp when there were a number of deals offering discounts, which I could not get), but that's something to just "suck up". As for any "logical order", no I cannot begin to guess at how the order is chosen, but perhaps worth considering availability of resources (ie engineering staff) and seems little point in speculating too much.

In reply to a post by ian72:

Will BT complete by May 2014? Probably not. Will they change the goal posts or carefully craft their press release so that it seems they completed?

Yeah, but as soon as I say that, someone complains that I don't know what Im talking about!

I think the difference is I state they may not meet it whereas you state they will not meet it based on experience of a small area.

So, probability is they won't get everything we think they should. But, they may meet enough to have a good news story (ie some cabs may be dropped in favour of others - this is replanning and from the outside may look like them failing but actually it still potentially meets their targets).

In reply to a post by ian72:

I think the difference is I state they may not meet it whereas you state they will not meet it based on experience of a small area.

But that's not true either.

I said

I am skeptical they will be able to meet their May 2014 commercial roll out date.

To which the reply (from someone else) was:

So on the basis of problems with just one cab of tens of thousands you feel able to say that BT will fail to meet their target date. I find that amazing.

I did say I couldn't be sure of my position, but neither can the other person in their wide eyed optimism, and besides which, it's not one cabinet in tens of thousands, there's four in my exchange area alone so far, then there's anecdotal evidence from a whole plethora of other people around the country.

Think Im being rather fair in all honesty. Now it might be once OpenReach have completed the majority of work, the engineers will be free to resolve the issues. Still extremely frustrating that in an exchange area, some cabinets can be fixed in two weeks, others two months, and others taking at least 4 months for seemingly no other reason than, BT just not assigning any resources. Still, nothing I can do about it about from whinge and complain that all things aren't equal.

Isn't it time all your posts are not deleted just cuz the OP was?

In reply to a post by sjdean:

I did say I couldn't be sure of my position, but neither can the other person in their wide eyed optimism, and besides which, it's not one cabinet in tens of thousands, there's four in my exchange area alone so far, then there's anecdotal evidence from a whole plethora of other people around the country.

As Ian said in an earlier post:

In reply to a post by ian72:

Thinking problems should be dealt with in order is naive for a programmer - often you have to deal with the quick wins whilst waiting for other things to happen to deal with the harder stuff - that is life.

I've said broadly the same to you previously, as have others.


You believe that Openreach should keep things in order, and that the problems (as you understand them, which may not be the full and complete picture) with the cabinets in your locality are representative of the issues faced across the deployment. The reality is that, as several posters have told you, Openreach reschedule work in ways that move things out of the original order when problems are found, whilst the problems faced in each area are dependent on purely local factors to at least some extent.

No matter how many times you reassert your views on these points in these forums, it will not change anything. If every member of these forums voted that Openreach should keep the FTTC roll-out in the declared order even when problems are found, Openreach wouldn't have to take any notice.


You appear to have misunderstood my motives when I've disagreed with you. I hope your cabinet is rolled out as quickly as possible and that you are able to take advantage of the benefits of FTTC soon - I never like seeing anyone subject to delays. However, repeatedly stating a position that is demonstrably not true cannot help anybody.

As your cabinet appears to be in the commercial roll-out, you have no contractual or regulatory leverage over Openreach. The only thing you can do is complain to Openreach about the delays and their scheduling policies, but this is unlikely to change anything.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Isn't it time all your posts are not deleted just cuz the OP was?

I think the majority don't realise they can change the subject line every time they post if they wish.

I often find it very confusing when people reply to a "Deleted" post and leave that there.

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Isn't it time all your posts are not deleted just cuz the OP was?

Isn't it time that the forum software were upgraded so that a post could be deleted without it messing up the subject line, or moderators able to edit posts?

In reply to a post by Ignitionnet:

In reply to a post by XRaySpeX:

Isn't it time all your posts are not deleted just cuz the OP was?

Isn't it time that the forum software were upgraded so that a post could be deleted without it messing up the subject line, or moderators able to edit posts?

I totally agree, the forum software is long overdue an update.

In reply to a post by sjdean:

In reply to a post by ian72:

I think the difference is I state they may not meet it whereas you state they will not meet it based on experience of a small area.

But that's not true either.

I said

I am skeptical they will be able to meet their May 2014 commercial roll out date.

Sorry, lost track slightly in the thread.