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Standard User Desmond
(sensei) Fri 24-Jan-14 22:46:05
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I'll try not to be rude, but this power thing and noise and the rest just sound like excuses. I suspect if the Queen was on an exchange only line at Buckingham Palace (rather than an outreach worker for homeless people living in an over priced ex-council flat on the other side of the river) they would all be solved instantly with a bit of metal shielding and some off the shelf kit that in the scheme of things costs tuppence a line.

It is clear this is not primarily a technical issue, but a regulatory one and that is all I (and the outreach worker) needed to know. She will thus almost certainly not be renewing the tenancy for her flat, but will move on to a location where she can get fibre, which contrary to her previous experience (and ironically) seems to be as far from the exchange as it is possible to get in London. laugh crazy

Des

Sky Broadband, Wired, Wireless, VoIP, 1 Mac, 2. Hackintoshes, 1 PC, 2 HTPCs, iPhone, iPad, OS X, Windows 7, Hate and 8 rhyming is not an accident!

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Standard User billford
(elder) Fri 24-Jan-14 22:49:29
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In reply to a post by Desmond:
I'll try not to be rude, but this power thing and noise and the rest just sound like excuses.
If you don't understand the technicalities yourself, you're on shaky ground belittling those who do.

Bill
A level playing field is level in both directions.

__________Fold at Home_________________Planes and Boats and ... ______________BQMs: IPv4 IPv6
Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 24-Jan-14 22:51:11
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In reply to a post by johnjburness:
but I really DON'T get it!

Most people who haven't done radio comms, won't get it sadly. Its complicated.

Have a look at this page, at the third document, ND1602, and download the PDF:
http://www.niccstandards.org.uk/publications/llu_spe...

You'll find its a 42 page document, and should tell you why. (Its not something I understand, and MrSaffron might be one of the few here who can explain the salient points, the summary in my first post is the high level !).

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 49/8.5 - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest


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Standard User jchamier
(eat-sleep-adslguide) Fri 24-Jan-14 22:52:54
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In reply to a post by Desmond:
It is clear this is not primarily a technical issue, but a regulatory one


Bit of both actually. Regulations to ensure technical DSL products work reliably. Which is why its run by NICC and not by a government quango such as Ofcom, or a company selling products such as Openreach or Kingston Communcations.

James BT Infinity 2 19/09/2012 - Sold 42/6 - Getting 49/8.5 - Sync 53 / 9.5 Mbps @ 470m approx
14 years of broadband (ntl: cable to BT FTTC) - Router: Asus RT-N66U - Modem: Huawei HG612 speedtest
Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 24-Jan-14 22:53:10
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Excuses for what?

Why would Openreach, or the regulators, wilfully reduce the speed and coverage of rollout of the product nationally to what on the face of it to you and me should be the easiest customers?

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Standard User Desmond
(sensei) Fri 24-Jan-14 23:01:41
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BT, Sky and several other ISPs clearly don't understand the problems either if the exchange of emails I have read is to be believed. Hence my request for clear, concise answers that were in the realms of being believeable. I now have one.

Des

Sky Broadband, Wired, Wireless, VoIP, 1 Mac, 2. Hackintoshes, 1 PC, 2 HTPCs, iPhone, iPad, OS X, Windows 7, Hate and 8 rhyming is not an accident!

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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Fri 24-Jan-14 23:02:44
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"It is clear this is not primarily a technical issue, but a regulatory one"

Or maybe the regulations are due to technical issues ?
Standard User billford
(elder) Fri 24-Jan-14 23:10:50
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Hence my request for clear, concise answers that were in the realms of being believeable. I now have one.
You had one in the first reply to your OP [shrug]

Bill
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Standard User Desmond
(sensei) Fri 24-Jan-14 23:14:58
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Stop making soluble technical excuses for problems created by badly thought through, politically motivated regulation.

The next thing you'll be saying is that looking at porn causes too much power on your line and that access to it needs to be regulated with filters and the like to stop exchanges accross the land from bursting into flames and thus denying orphaned kittens of food and decent cat litter. laugh

Des

Sky Broadband, Wired, Wireless, VoIP, 1 Mac, 2. Hackintoshes, 1 PC, 2 HTPCs, iPhone, iPad, OS X, Windows 7, Hate and 8 rhyming is not an accident!

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Standard User RobertoS
(sensei) Fri 24-Jan-14 23:31:12
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Isn't that common knowledge?

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 59.4/14.4Mbps @ 600m. - BQM

"Where talent is a dwarf, self-esteem is a giant." - Jean-Antoine Petit-Senn.
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