That may be so but picked another Millennium Telecom Ltd and latest news is from 2010 and while their entry says

"Millennium Telecom specialise in ultra high speed connections from 100Mb to 10Gb. We have expertise in Fixed Wireless Access as well as a portfolio of Fibre and High Speed Leased Line services."

All I can find is calls and ADSL2+

Also providers will have joined the lists before the changes in FoD pricing were known.

Another one http://www.origin-broadband.co.uk/business-and-corpo... has more info on their site but talks about IP leased lines, MPLS and Point to Point services (P2P)

If the dcms tick box was called GEA FTTPoD then I'd be more confident that firms who do fibre leased lines have not simply ticked fibre on demand, because they do fibre if someone orders it.

A lot of the ISPs listed there for FTTP have absolutely no details on their sites about any FTTP offering.

Similarly, a few that I found were still listing speed variants that Openreach ceased to provide nearly six months ago for new customers. It clearly shows you how many FTTx products they supply.

I will phone some of them tomorrow and see.

But I know a couple of them (Timico being one) that will supply FTTPoD, but have no details on their site about it. You need to phone them up.

The site has this interesting definition:-

Where a supplier usually offers FTTC to customers as a standard product rather than FTTP (because of the high deployment costs), or if FTTC would not provide a sufficiently fast service to meet an individual customer�s needs, then some network operators would offer FTTP for an additional charge by offering what suppliers call an �on-demand� product. Charges are often considerable and are payable upfront.

See this page.

This page doesn't look as though it is going to lead to a rigorous qualification to serve Manchester. My gut feel is suppliers will just register. I specified Fibre on Demand for Manchester and got a ludicrous list.

It isn't available of course to consumers like most of us here - "Am I a SME? There is an official definition of a small or medium enterprise that you need to meet to be eligible."

I've also now skimmed through the whole of the supplier registration form. The lists coming out are completely incompatible with the ostensible aims of the scheme and site.

Look for instance at the link to Bell ICT Ltd that I gave in my earlier post. They appear in the list for Manchester. There is no way at all that makes sense. There is no way at all they could sensibly offer FTTPoD anywhere.

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 20-Feb-14 00:36:39)

More on Bell ICT.

Two shareholders, the only director and his wife/sister/daughter. Incorporated 30 June 2010.

Net assets at June 2012 £966 (2011 £3,665). Total assets £88,029 (2011 £74,990), total liabilities £87,063 (2011 £71,325).

Can do FTTPoD nationally? [cough] [splutter]. I don't think your list is remotely true.

Also his previous venture was Bell IT 2000 Ltd. Liquidator appointed by the Creditors August 2010, liquidated September 2011. The voucher site doesn't seem bothered about business credibility.

Edited by RobertoS (Thu 20-Feb-14 00:58:24)

I see what you're saying about Bell ICT - they are suppose to be vetted that they can supply NGA by DCMS.

The only possible thing I can think of is that they are reselling another ISPs service, because it does not look like they can even supply ADSL themselves.

I will phone some of the suppliers today and see what they say about FTTPoD. I am confident most would be able to offer it.

So far a random search has drawn a blank. I do not believe your list is anything other than a list. Good to see where you got it from at last.

I see Gradwell are offering FTTPoD, so you got one right

You might want to check my sig.

Edited by deleted (Thu 20-Feb-14 08:39:40)

In reply to a post by BatBoy:

So far a random search has drawn a blank. I do not believe your list is anything other than a list. Good to see where you got it from at last.

I see Gradwell are offering FTTPoD, so you got one right

You might want to check my sig.

Well I phoned the first three on the list: Wilcard, MLL and Excell.

All three can supply FTTPoD. They couldn't give me any idea of pricing (was interested in the monthly cost) as they have no pricing available and would need to put together a quote.

Any BT Wholesale or Openreach customer can supply and provide FTTPoD to end users. There is just going to be very little interest or demand for it because it has such a limited availability and high installation costs with a lengthy contract term. Any company with the need for such bandwidth would probably look down the leased line route (with the SLGs) or bonded FTTC lines (two of the ISPs above said they had demand for this).

Grants for solar panels so you get the sales people moving to that
Grants for broadband what does one expect?

The very small providers who are supplying in a city where they are located, as the service may be more than just a broadband connection, i.e. may add a whole layer of IT support too.

While the BT Wholesale FTTPoD price is still up in the area after the recent price announcement, I'd expect providers to be able to give a ball park figure.

I read the blog on the Bell website before my first post about them. Amongst the gems was something about being proud to have been appointed Zen (ISP) resellers.

My main point wrt the list is that a single random choice shows the vetting procedures of the list site are non-existent. If they are getting paid by the EU to provide this service, as seems likely, then "summats oop!".

Matthew Bell's previous directorships were also interesting, though I only read the list not the detail.