I suspect it is just a generic list of ISP's that expressed some interest in supplying one of the products listed. In reality the list is probably close to useless as most will not be able to supply ort will just take the order and sub contract to another supplier

Why do you think most won't be able to supply it?

It's being supplied by BT Wholesale/Openreach. ISPs are just reselling this.

That's the difference, I want retailers not resellers

In theory, everyone is a reseller though - even the likes of BT Retail/EE/Sky/TT/PlusNet/Zen/AAISP. The only retailer is BT Wholesale/Openreach.

I can completely understand why SMEs will use a small provider (like those on the list) to provide their internet connectivity. They will not be the cheapest, but some SMEs like to deal with small (possibly also local) ISPs who will give them the support they want and need.

If you turn off the Sky network you have no network, the same with TT, PlusNet, Zen and AAISP

For EE its different as they buy the service from BT Wholesale
Similar for BT Retail all though agreement is different

The question with the resellers is what added value do they add, instead of going direct to who they buy trom.

But I would agree this list does not look like a list of actual FoD sellers, some will do it, but others will probably be looking to do managed installs of FTTC

The £1300 I found was for insulated copper

But yet cost of removal and subsequent install of battery backup in homes to meet USO for FTTP will eat into it. As always not as simple as a soundbite makes it sound

On the copper recovery - this will not happen.

There are some problems:

1) It can be nearly impossible to pull some cables out (if they are doing it by hand). A lot of underground pipes are tightly packed.

2) You risk damaging the fibre cabling by pulling out another cable. This has happened already near me and the cost to fix must have exceeded the value of the copper cable that was removed.

3) FVA has a relatively poor uptake. I believe only BT Retail offer this and it does not seem to be standard when people upgrade to FTTP. Some people will also have their telephone service with another provider that might not support FVA. The nature of GPON meaning you need a constant power supply (with a battery backup) for FVA is not really an issue, more of a downside - I read that Openreach were bringing in integrated ONTs with backup power units but I have not seen anything more...

Indeed. Surprised they didn't roll more of it back to FTTC.

They've a few areas where FTTC hasn't been too great either. Enabling cabinets that were, in theory, relatively cheap to enable but have so far had really low uptake alongside some that made no sense at all while ignoring others where the sums actually did add up.

I think once you plan and commit to a project or trial like that, you almost pass the point of no return and it does not make economic sense to then scrap it. I suppose they wanted to see it through to the end to get an idea of what it would cost nationwide as a rough guide, but they very quickly ruled out rolling FTTP up to the 2 millions homes that were originally mentioned.

FTTP must be a nightmare for Openreach to forecast the cost of putting into areas, unless they are new builds. I am sure Milton Keynes must have cost them 3x, 4x, 5x or even higher than they were expecting.

I've not seen any figures on uptake of NGA in MK, but I do know that a recently installed FTTC cabinet is full barely a few weeks after orders were first started. One of the FTTP splitters I saw was 75% full back in Dec.

In reply to a post by AndyHCZ:

I've not seen any figures on uptake of NGA in MK, but I do know that a recently installed FTTC cabinet is full barely a few weeks after orders were first started.

Completely full or out of ports awaiting new cards?

Given the lead time on card installs I'd be pretty surprised if the whole thing had been full within a few weeks simply due to those lead times.