When I ordered native FTTP through PlusNet there was a survey and because our copper is in armoured cables and there is no ducting they wanted over £3000 in excess construction charges despite the fact that the manifold is only 20m from my front door. I have now ordered from BT Retail to see if the charges get absorbed somehow.

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How much are Openreach charging providers for this line rental and how much has it increased over the last few years?

Completely irrelevant and regardless it remains profitable.

Completely relevant.

You told us that Openreach are charging line rental as they are a monopoly.

So surely it is worth exploring exactly how much Openreach charge for Line Rental and how much it has increased over the years. How much do Openreach charge per month for line rental?

Funnily enough Openreach has to provide copper loops for areas that are covered by FTTP. They have to maintain copper loops for customers that take FTTP this cost does not fall out of the sky.

Openreach have to provide fibre in tandem with copper to allow TalkTalk and Sky access to the market so they can sweat their copper assets. Somebody has got to pay for that and it isn't going to be Sky and TalkTalk, it's gonna be the consumer.

I note that monopoly provider, Virgin Media, charge extra for line rental when a customer takes broadband without voice yet are totally outside the Openreach network and also nobody can unbundle their plant for less than a couple of quid per month.

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That was my thought also, as if Zen start doing FTTP at the same pricing as their unlimited FTTC then that opens up market a fair bit i.e. that is newsworthy

Zen have got back to me today via email and said

"We are about to release new FTTP products and I hope to be able to provide further information in the next 24-48 hours"

So hopefully it will be something half decent.

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Funnily enough Openreach has to provide copper loops for areas that are covered by FTTP. They have to maintain copper loops for customers that take FTTP this cost does not fall out of the sky.

Ebbsfleet Valley? There's also a development in Northamptonshire that's FTTP only.

No. I said thanks to being a monopoly they can bake full voice line rental into FTTP data only costs.

If you're that obsessed by the subject though when was the last time everyone's d-sides were replaced given that part of the line rental is for periodic renewal of them?

Virgin Media are not considered a monopoly or to have significant market power.

There are FTTP-only greenfield areas with no copper running next to them. There is no reason why BT can't retire copper with Ofcom's approval. Deddington mean anything to you, if they every actually get around to retiring the copper that is? Fibre only exchange. Awesome how that works given it's apparently impossible according to you.

Given BT put money in your pocket, presumably via a subcontractor, your name suits you.

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Sorry you decided to play the man rather than the issues, Carl. I'll resist the temptation.

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Sorry you decided to play the man rather than the issues, Carl. I'll resist the temptation.

Okay...

3.17 As a result of Ofcom�s review of BT�s cost of capital (see footnote 5), Ofcom
concluded that the appropriate rate of return on capital employed for BT�s access
network is 10.0%.

If you have evidence that BT aren't getting that for access network capital please contact Openreach so that they can put it to Ofcom.

Next, line rental. WLR first:

Basic Line Rental terminating on: Old type socket, master socket or Linebox £91.05 + VAT / year.

Then MPF: £86.11 + VAT / year.

You're wrong about the requirement to keep the copper there - it can be retired when fibre is connected. The requirement is to deliver a phone line; FTTP can and does do that which is why there are greenfield FTTP-only sites, and why Deddington is planned to go fibre only.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/index.php/2013/01/dedding...

http://www.btplc.com/News/Articles/ShowArticle.cfm?A...

Perhaps given you know everything you could tell me why it costs £100.68 + VAT / year more if you don't take line rental with an FTTP product than with - this is more than the cost of WLR or MPF.

Or perhaps why FTTP with Fibre Voice Access, IE a VLAN running on the same fibre, costs more than FTTP + WLR or FTTP + MPF.

Hi bright, as we now know, the big excess would have made you the first in your close, I reckon that once you factor in your two neighbours getting it then the cost will evaporate, or at least decrease hugely.

With hindsight the planners quote made sense, 7m of road crossing (not cheap) three footway boxes, one on the other side of the road from the manifold/DP at the top of the close, another by the concrete drive of your neighbours, and one outside yours. All this would mean that any further installs down your side would be much easier/cheaper for Openreach.

This don't help you much, but who knows, 'take one for the team' and they might rename your close after you !

Hi. Zarjaz. It was good to meet you earlier in the week. Thanks for dropping by to show me what was in the various chambers and help me understand the network layout.

As for the costs to overlay the existing armour cabled copper network with ducting suitable for the fibre, they might be realistic. However, to expect a residential consumer to pay over £3000 to install a product that retails at £26 per month is unacceptable. If BT had deployed FTTC to us and I then asked for FTTPoD then fair enough. I would have a choice about whether to pay or not. But I have no choice. BT chose to deploy FTTP and therefore I feel that they have to make it available at a reasonable cost to all users equally. Expecting the first user out of 16 to pay the full cost of the work is also not reasonable.

Anyway, I will wait and see what BT Retail have to say when they make their decision and hopefully you will be back in a few weeks to complete the installation.

They should give you a percentage of the profits made from future customers in that close!