This a the link I posted on the other reply: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24047235

Of course there is also a BBC article about Google admitting that they knew of the data all along and were using it for marketing.

I use many google services I don't mind if they pick up what I give them, it is when they pick up what we are not giving them.

Granted that is only two unencrypted wifis but still, what else have they done recently?

As for the OS, I remember how Jobs considered Android to be a complete rip of iOS, and let's face it...it kinda is. And since Android is actually Linux Kernel it hasn't really been a driving force. It is more like taking someone elses OS and then slapping your apps and skin on top and calling it your own.

I mean Android is a good Linux distro but it is exactly that.

It is strange because I know a lot of people on BT, including myself, and the one time I did have a problem with a broken wire in the cabinet they actually fixed it (got the workers out at midnight) within 4 hours. So on that front they have impressed me.

Their customer service sucks, took 1 hour of repeating the same info to get through to the right person past all of the Indian bots but when I did they knew exactly what to do.

I actually have the fastest land connection of all providers in my area I think at about 90MB dl and 40MB upload. It is not as fast as Virgin media but then that's not true, to your home, landed fibre; despite their advertising.

I'm not equating them.

BT Wholesale/Openreach are failing to create a decent 21st network. They've not even got public plans for 21CN rollout to all exchanges, let alone FTTC to all. No provision at quite a few exchanges for more expensive options (eg EFM) for business use.

BT Retail do indeed seem to devise new and interesting ways to break their network every so often.

In reply to a post by Sammaye:

It is strange because I know a lot of people on BT, including myself, and the one time I did have a problem with a broken wire in the cabinet they actually fixed it (got the workers out at midnight) within 4 hours. So on that front they have impressed me.

That sounds like a business line with an SLA.

I actually have the fastest land connection of all providers in my area I think at about 90MB dl and 40MB upload. It is not as fast as Virgin media but then that's not true, to your home, landed fibre; despite their advertising.

Assuming you mean Mbps not MB(ytes), does that means you are on FTTP? Or is it some other sort of connection, maybe Ethernet?

In a way you were. You followed a sentence about BT rollout with one about BT Retail customer complaints, as though the complaints were caused by the rollout.

I was just pointing out those are two very different topics.

That sounds like a business line with an SLA.

Nope a standard domestic line in good ol' Devon.

Mbps not MB(ytes)

Yeah, late in the day.

does that means you are on FTTP?

Nope to the cabinet. My cabinet sits 400m away in terms of wire distance. I got a quote from BT to have to my house, even that short distance cost a bomb so naff that.

I mean they even explained to me, I pay what they would have to pay; that's why I am very skeptical about companies that say they wanna supply to the home connections.

There's no way you are getting 90/40Mbps speeds then unless you have two lines and load-balancing.

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 18-Jul-14 16:16:35)

I'd seen that post. I think we all are aware they were capturing unencrypted data over wifi.

Android is a bit more than a ripoff of IOS or just apps on top of Linux! You might want to do a little more research on that. By your logic, then OSX is just BSD with a few apps stuck on top too.

Glad you got BT to fix your cable quickly - took them over 24 hours to fix a problem of their own making (engineer 'tidying up' connections broke a leased line because it didn't have a dial tone!) recently for us.

You're doing well to get 90 down and 40 up - FTTC is max 80/20 . Even FTTP is only 30 upload. Admittedly that's better than my 448k up and 5376k down - the best I can get on our exchange without ADSL2+ or fibre.

I think we need to have some salt nearby to pick up wrt today's newbie .

Edited by RobertoS (Fri 18-Jul-14 16:19:15)

Just a tonne or twenty

Whoops I did say that wrong, sorry I am unsure where I got those number from.

I get 76 dl and 19 up, sorry about that.