the public money has had to be match so if you £850m from publ and match form Local authority and match both of this with an operator operator -- that match is outside of the 2.5bn commercial you start yo ge t a view on the investimet

I don't think you'll find BT had to directly match. A lot of projects the BT proportion is relatively low but the offset is that Council's get a higher proportion of money back if take-up exceeds a given level.

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I am not sure if Virgin ever were in the bid process or if they dropped out at some point. It was an "open" tender so Virgin had the option - given EU procurement they couldn't force someone into the process.

Ok..

Just a shame more couldn't be done really, I also guess a lot of money is being invested elsewhere like 4th generation and up mobile comms.

Have openreach started doing any copper arrangement work yet, I heard somewhere they where going to be rearranging the routing of some copper and replacing old cabling for new and having existing copper refubished?

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A lot of projects the BT proportion is relatively low but the offset is that Council's get a higher proportion of money back if take-up exceeds a given level.

We had a very nice chap come from the Council to talk at a special Parish Council meeting to explain what is happening in my area. He said that the County Council will get money back when the uptake in the County reaches 20%, at the moment the uptake is 13%. When they do hopefully get money back it will be reinvested in further roll-out so a lot depends on take up.

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I wonder if the latency is partly because you are running at the speed of sound rather than the speed of light and therefore it will have higher latency unless you have a very tightly packed array of transmitters/receivers (which would then be very expensive).

Radio has been slowed down to the speed of sound since I went to school then!

Perhaps not. Band with limitations could play a part though.

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Gents the informaion provided to the website was not in the public domain and only provided to CPs - (there are specific rules around what those CP can do with that data and what they cannot -(ioe forward it elsewhere

Yep, and confidential information gets leaked in all walks of life.

Once it's in the public domain it can be very hard to remove, it's just huge shame he didn't make the data available to download, then it would have been as good as impossible to remove from the public domain.

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I've seen some on here complaining about delays of up 9 months.. maybe more...

Ha, 9 months? 4 years here..... and still they've not done any work at all.

Dslchecker site is saying September now, when that rolls around it'll get punted on another 6 months, then the planning permission expires (it was 3 years ago!), that'll be another 6 months ......

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In reply to a post by ian72:

I wonder if the latency is partly because you are running at the speed of sound rather than the speed of light and therefore it will have higher latency unless you have a very tightly packed array of transmitters/receivers (which would then be very expensive).

Radio has been slowed down to the speed of sound since I went to school then!

Perhaps not. Band with limitations could play a part though.

Oops. I wasn't entirely certain as I was writing it but seemed to make sense - my physics GCSE was a long time ago and I blame senility for such a schoolboy error...

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In reply to a post by ian72:

I wonder if the latency is partly because you are running at the speed of sound rather than the speed of light and therefore it will have higher latency unless you have a very tightly packed array of transmitters/receivers (which would then be very expensive).

Radio has been slowed down to the speed of sound since I went to school then!

Perhaps not. Band with limitations could play a part though.

Oops. I wasn't entirely certain as I was writing it but seemed to make sense - my physics GCSE was a long time ago and I blame senility for such a schoolboy error...

Reminds me of a kid at school at the time of the first moon landing in 1969 ... he insisted that the audio of the scheduled transmissions from the moon would take far longer to reach earth than the video. No matter how hard we tried to convince him otherwise he wouldn't believe us until he had seen the actual live broadcast.

ronksi - interesting -- wonder how long you stay with your bank if your bank deatails and all your bank informaion were lleaked to a public forum or that bank woudl be in business --

that data is supplied monthly to CP's via a secure portal and strict controls about what can be done with it -