So why do people keep asking "Who offers the cheapest?"

And with over 20 years of putting communications products in front of consumers, I do have a very good idea of what people want.

In reply to a post by MHC:

So why do people keep asking "Who offers the cheapest?"

Well said, that man!

if you said most people I wouldn't have argued the point but you said everyone.

The problem isp's have is if they offer premium maintenance packages or call out's they will probably struggle to collect payments if openreach do shoddy work, most people complain about the existing call out fee's. I think that's a big reason no one offers it.

But what are the same day fee's? if you say then I will tell you if I would have paid it.

e.g. if I was quoted £200 for a guaranteed pair swap, every joint been checked, pole etc. I would probably pay it.
But I would haggle over paying £50 for a basic JDSU test.

Since 2008 the average line rental has increased by about £72 per year. If 1/2 of all customers have an average of one call out per year that's chargeable then the increase covers those costs, BT is raking it in.

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 29-Aug-14 17:13:27)

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

But what are the same day fee's? if you say then I will tell you if I would have paid it.

Different Service Levels that offer guaranteed response times and the one-off 'Expedite Repair' offered by Openreach are explained here and pricing is here.

does level4 give the 6 hours?

I would probably pay that no problem.

In reply to a post by Chrysalis:

for the curious DLM put me on a new profile I never seen before.

FEC enabled but no INP or interleaving.

I am getting around 500-10000 FEC and 100-2500 CRC per minute.

Downstream? That's definitely new.

yes on downstream, same as default US which has FEC but no INP/interleaving.

however I expect tomorrow interleaving will be on given today's error count.

I am on mydslwebstats if you want to see, but dont think historical inp/interleaving is graphed, just current but not sure.

Edited by Chrysalis (Fri 29-Aug-14 23:32:49)

I have seen the same effect, ever since I started using the updated firmware.

My connection seems to occasionally switch between fastpath & interleaved.

When interleaved, I see quite a lot of DS FEC errors.

When switched to fastpath, DS FEC errors do decrease dramatically, but they can still be seen.

With the original firmware version, DS FEC errors were completey absent when on fastpath.



My own theory is that the updated firmware allows a more reliable connection as it can apply a low level of DS FEC without always needing to directly apply INP, delay & interleaving depth.


I don't usually pay a great deal of attention to the other relevant values, but I know you have previously commented on them in detail.


These are from my current fastpath connection:-

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1 23 45 67 89 10	MSGc:           26              54 B:              239             127M:              1               1 T:              60              34R:              14              12 S:              0.3583          0.9825L:              5672            1140 D:              1               1I:              254             70 N:              254             140

These are from a few days ago when still interleaved:-

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1 23 45 67 89 10	MSGc:           26              54 B:              51              111M:              1               1 T:              62              38R:              12              12 S:              0.0885          0.8913L:              5784            1113 D:              365             1I:              64              124 N:              64              124

In there anything of noteworthy significance in the 2 sets of data?

Edited by deleted (Fri 29-Aug-14 23:38:22)

Isn't it the INP that allows a low level of error correction? Possibly FECs.

When INP is non-zero, delay is also non-zero & interleaving depth is higher than 1

However, DS & US INP & delay are currently zero & DS & US Interleaving depth are both 1 on my connection, yet I am curretly seeing 'some' low levels of DS FEC/RSCorr counts.