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Standard User deleted
(deleted) Sat 03-Jan-15 18:38:54
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Re: Congestion?


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In reply to a post by WWWombat:
With something like RED or WRED working on TCP flows, I guess you get to see random packet drops kick in earlier than "total congestion", aimed at slowing each TCP stream. You wouldn't see this on the ping graphs at all, but I imagine the kind of single-threaded slowdown visible on your TBB speedtest would be the best indication.

IIRC, "old-style" congestion would affect both the single-threaded tests and the multi-threaded-tests. I imagine that signs like your graph (very slow single-threaded, but relatively healthy multi-threaded) are a sign that some form of RED/WRED is in place.


The symptoms are commensurate with simple dropping of packets. Packet loss is capping each TCP flow traversing the choke point at 8-10Mb or whatever, hence the 6 x TCP flow test will show a significantly better result than the single flow.

This isn't fancy queuing it's relying simply on TCP's own congestion control. It's a reason why P2P has been so problematic on networks in the past, especially before the creation of UTP, and why Usenet continues to be. Loss being caused by rate limiting on a port will cause a per-TCP flow limit and those applications, being multi-threaded, will crowd out single flow applications such as streaming.

RED is, actually, more likely to bring single-thread and multi-thread results closer together.
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(deleted) Sun 04-Jan-15 21:35:02
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Looks like it.


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http://www.speedtest.net/result/4033567193.png

--- maroon.linx.net ping statistics ---
100 packets transmitted, 98 received, 2% packet loss, time 99161ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 15.185/26.627/199.396/18.501 ms

Download speed achieved during the test was - 15.74 Mbps
For your connection, the acceptable range of speeds is 51.46 Mbps-64.32 Mbps .
Additional Information:
IP Profile for your line is - 64.32 Mbps

Ya.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Wed 07-Jan-15 21:46:26
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Re: Looks like it.


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you not alone, I see me and others joined into your plusnet thread.

Here is my latest, the single threaded was flatlined as if throttled/rate limited.

http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/button/14206...


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Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Wed 07-Jan-15 22:13:43
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Re: Looks like it.


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Mine seems OK, testing wirelessly.

Maybe we should also post our gateway at the time of the test? See if there is any commonality in the poor ones. (Thinks - bng series). I'm currently on ptw-ag03.

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.1/14.8Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4BQM IPv6BQM

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Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 08-Jan-15 10:40:46
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Re: Looks like it.


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On the plusnet forums I did post the gateways.

one was ag06 the other was ag08 both pcl

The difference between me and ignition tho, he has clear packetloss, I dont.

Edited by Chrysalis (Thu 08-Jan-15 10:42:48)

Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 08-Jan-15 21:50:34
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Re: Looks like it.


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as an update I also have packetloss now, speedtests below 30mbit tonight.

Standard User RobertoS
(elder) Thu 08-Jan-15 22:46:47
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Re: Looks like it.


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http://www.thinkbroadband.com/speedtest/results.html...

I see you moved to a bgn gateway at ~13:15?

My broadband basic info/help site - www.robertos.me.uk | Domains,site and mail hosting - Tsohost.
Connection - Plusnet UnLim Fibre (FTTC). Sync ~ 57.1/14.8Mbps @ 600m. - IPv4BQM IPv6BQM

"Angels can fly because they can take themselves lightly." - G K Chesterton.
Standard User Chrysalis
(legend) Thu 08-Jan-15 23:01:42
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Re: Looks like it.


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yes.

Standard User deleted
(deleted) Mon 12-Jan-15 15:21:20
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AAISP Confirm


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http://clueless.aaisp.net.uk/congestion.cgi

BT 21CN LBV-PK, all BRASs 0.07% Packet loss approx 6pm to 10pm
Standard User deleted
(deleted) Tue 13-Jan-15 11:07:52
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Re: AAISP Confirm


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What does "LBV-PK" represent? Obviously not a single exchange, as AA's XML classes it as a "region" instead.
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