In reply to a post by adslmax:

But the cabinet already got vectoring hardware but not activated yet by Openreach.

Yours might be but are all, some older cabinets might now have vectoring capabilities.

Is a "physical" line different from a physical line? You have a virtual one?

Plenty of addresses in the BT database are silver-key addresses, which map to PAF addresses but have no service with BT (or at least no current service). I've seen the estimator return results, return a warning that the address could be recognised but no estimates provided, and fail to provide any result whatsoever.

Presumably if it does return a result, it is configured with some idea of the DP that you would be connected to if you had a line (even a "physical" one), and is basing the estimate on the same generic result offered to all addresses on the DP. Any changes to the estimate will be because of changes to the default assumptions behind the DP as a whole.

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

But the cabinet already got vectoring hardware but not activated yet by Openreach.

Yours might be but are all, some older cabinets might now have vectoring capabilities.

I don't think my cabinet vectoring isn't activate yet.

In reply to a post by adslmax:

In reply to a post by mlmclaren:

In reply to a post by adslmax:

But the cabinet already got vectoring hardware but not activated yet by Openreach.

Yours might be but are all, some older cabinets might now have vectoring capabilities.

I don't think my cabinet vectoring isn't activate yet.

Sorry I typed my last post wrong I meant,

Your cabinet might "support" vectoring but others might "not" have vectoring capabilities.

I just don't understand why openreach have to wait longer to roll out vectoring because we all need it now because of crosstalk does affect everyone but I am just lucky person that my sync rate haven't dropping below 80Meg yet.

Probably because there are benefits to a stable platform during major rollouts. They most likely want to get further through the current BDUK projects before they rock the boat by changing the technology - the impact on support can be high even in a very well planned and understood change.

There is also the question on whether they know how they will provide it to ISPs. Will it be a standard thing turned on for everyone or will ISPs have the choice for all/individual customers? If they have a choice then systems would need to be setup to manage the changes.

My understanding is that it's all or nothing. All the connections to the cab must vectored, and it'll work, or it won't. (and could worsen some connections).

To do this the cab must be able to support vectoring, and all of the subscribers must have a vectoring-capable modem/router, and have it enabled.

So, with a lot of old BTOR modems out there, it becomes quite a big and expensive project, especially when they're in the middle of the actual rollout of FTTC.

I suspect (not in the same was as Ribble!) that they are installing capable DSLAMS, and a consumer replacement project will be a way down the line.

Well I'm assuming that my estimate is based on next doors FTTC connection as they switched from Virgin Media about 3-4 months ago.

A reasonable starting point, but it is always worth being wary...

My current property started out as a silver-key address from the PAF, with no estimate available. After a preliminary survey as the first step in my order, the estimator changed to give speed estimates before any installation work had been done, or any (new) physical line had been installed.

Unfortunately, the survey got it wrong, and reckoned the property was connected to the cabinet just outside. It turns out there was an old connection, but it went to a different DP than the survey expected, and thence to a different cabinet in the next street.

That difference has so far prevented installation of fibre.

Well I would be very surprised if that was too happen here but nothing's impossible I suppose!

Edited by mlmclaren (Mon 05-Jan-15 17:42:53)