It IS viable, it's a good product. I wish I could get it where I live.

In reply to a post by ian72:

It is also no wonder that BT think that FTTP would be an expensive and long drawn out process and why FTTPoD is so expensive. By the time they have done individual surveys of every premise and agreed with the owners exactly what route should be taken the costs in manpower will be astronomical. For FTTP these costs would take a very long time to recover through £15 a month rental payments.

I do agree with all of that, but it doesn't excuse getting someone out who thinks it's acceptable to stuff a duct (even though they probably installed that duct, it's still an OR duct, part of their network) with paper or whatever they've used there. And then drill a messy hole right through the front door jamb through which to throw the cable, before scarring the wall. I mean, if it was a few flecks of paint or whatever then yes, accidents happen, but whoever installed that clearly thinks it's acceptable to do that and get paid for it, because they certainly haven't tried to cover it up.

If a fibre installer turned up at my house and said "This is all a bit much for me... so we can either mess up your front door's frame and the communal area inside, or you can't have it" then at least I have the chance to say "Nah, I'll wait for someone better".

Edited by deleted (Tue 03-Feb-15 12:41:09)

What is most telling is that firms like Kelly's are the ones who would be doing FTTP roll-out if other commercial operators were doing a large scale FTTP roll-out i.e. they work for whoever employs them.

The original cable TV roll-outs were littered with moans just like this

I wonder what the answer is, then? Surely OR (or whoever) would train people to do it to an acceptable standard? i.e. not absolutely perfectly finished and ideal in placement for 100% of customers, but... well basically to not do it anything like the OP's photos? They should be handed out to staff as an example of how not to do it. It's worrying that people need telling in the first place, but still.

Edited by deleted (Tue 03-Feb-15 12:55:27)

I would have thought that Openreach are employing Kelly's, Quinn's, etc as sub-contractors who have some sort of commitment to do a proper job.

So Openreach should be in a position to shout at Kelly's, insist they do a proper job and/or penalise them and use their own well-trained staff to rectify the poor install.

I would imagine that is all driven by the residents giving Openreach a good kick.

but it doesn't excuse getting someone out who thinks it's acceptable to stuff a duct (even though they probably installed that duct, it's still an OR duct, part of their network) with paper or whatever they've used there

Whilst agreeing with the sentiment of your post, I should just add that the 'duct stuffing' seen in the OP's photo's is a legitimate way to close an Openreach duct to stop the ingress of whatever. These are usually used on larger ducts, in cabinet bases, in the ducts from an MDF to exchange cable chamber. The usual bung is a slate grey high density foam affair. Maybe they had none on that day ?

In reply to a post by Zarjaz:

An ONT with a DSL output ???? The current kit provides itself as both a modem and can support up to two voice services. The link from the ONTE to the router is via an ethernet cable .... so I suppose the ONTE could be located outside of the premises and the two services run in ..... but then it needs power, to be kept out of harms way, etc, etc. Most single dwellings will be provided with an external CSP, and then the feed fibre run in from here. How this is done is discussed with the owner on the installation date.

And this goes to the heart of the problem, namely the viability of getting from the CSP to the user's router. In this case there isn't room for the four ONTs in the lobby, let alone readily available power for them. So fibre would have to be run to each flat from CSP, and I was under the impression that this can result in unsightly installations because of the attendent problems/ limitations of bend radii (as per the developers' guide) and where each ONT can be positioned within reach of a power point.

However, it's been drawn to my attention that a fibre which was referred to 'easybend' and I assume is this stuff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4wzJSInvww (don't blame me for the soundtrack) is available which casts a completely different light on the situation. If it really is available, and with its apparent flexibilty and toughness, then a successful and visually acceptable installation suddenly appears to be within reach.

Does anyone have knowledge/ experience of this stuff?

You mean like what Openreach say they use to connect CSP to ONT

http://www.openreach.co.uk/orpg/home/contactus/conne...

Aaaahhh... might just be

Suddenly a whole range of possibilities is opening up before me - Thanks Andrew, you may just have made my day!

However, it's been drawn to my attention that a fibre which was referred to 'easybend'

If it really is available, and with its apparent flexibilty and toughness, then a successful and visually acceptable installation suddenly appears to be within reach.

Got some in me van Guv'