Related to that I have a question which has never been able to get a clear answer for.

If a Cabinet or Exchange has previously been upgraded by BTO does that preclude the LA, in this case Wiltshire County Council, from ever touching it with BDUK or BDUK2 funds? I am vaguely aware there maybe some EU rules which would prohibit this.

Exchange no, it is down to the precision of the mapping the councils usually work. Current round is generally cabinet based, but next round should be more precise and be indentifying postcodes that may have FTTC but are still not superfast.

That said if a county has 10% outside superfast foot print that probably means the 95% project is going to concentrate on the cabinets with no FTTC and EO clusters. The handful of under superfast but above USC on existing cabinets will probably be more dispersed and more expensive to resolve.

Only in a County that is working towards 100% Superfast will you be sure of help, but that might not be until 2017 - 2018 anyway.

In reply to a post by godsell4:

If a Cabinet or Exchange has previously been upgraded by BTO does that preclude the LA, in this case Wiltshire County Council, from ever touching it with BDUK or BDUK2 funds? I am vaguely aware there maybe some EU rules which would prohibit this.

It isn't surprising that you don't get a clear answer - because different councils apply different interpretation of the same rule.

It seems that Surrey County Council seem to apply the rule to mean that no property attached to a commercially-upgraded cabinet can have any money spent on it. This remains true, even if the property is too far from the cabinet to benefit from any VDSL2 service at all: Surrey believes the EU state aid rule means that the onus remains with the commercial rollout.

Meanwhile, Warwickshire take exactly the opposite view - that even a single property without access to a superfast service, even when already connected to an upgraded cabinet, is enough for the area to be considered NGA-white. When accumulating results into postcodes, then the postcode is considered "white" even if only a single property does not have access. And when accumulating results into maps, the area is coloured white if a single property does not have access.

To some councils, the limitation comes about because of the way they declared areas as NGA-white in the original OMR. If they followed postcode boundaries in the declaration, it seems that some feel compelled to honour that declaration.

Some counties are then altering this inflexible approach in the second round - perhaps by declaring the areas in the same way as Warwickshire. Other counties are marking some of the areas declared commercial as "at risk" and retain the ability to re-label such an area as NGA-white if the commercial rollout fails to supply.

It probably comes down to wording in the OMR's, and what the council officials (at the time) understood about the limitations of both FTTC and the commercial rollout.

@Gazzy90, would be great if you could respond to the PM I sent you. Click the My Home link you see at the top of this forum.

In a similar area, anybody have an update for Kellaways Cabinets 1 and 2? They are two new cabinets which convert a small +200 line EO only exchange to support FTTC. The work was supposed to be completed over December, not obvious what the hold up is now, maybe it is installing a power supply or maybe just waiting for the BTOpenreach site to be updated to show that FTTC is enabled and ready for ordering.

I would be grateful if somebody could tell me where Chippenham Cabinet 8 is located, using streeview I see quite a few of those 'pillar PCP' boxes in and around the SN15 3RE area.

In reply to a post by godsell4:

I would be grateful if somebody could tell me where Chippenham Cabinet 8 is located, using streeview I see quite a few of those 'pillar PCP' boxes in and around the SN15 3RE area.

Would this be it, I did loads of speed checks for postcodes that use cabinet 8, and homes nearest this point gave me the highest speeds.
And after 5 or 10 mins I then saw this: Cabinet 8 ??

Also seeing these lines on the BT DSL Checker:
Address PCP8, LONDON RD, CHIPPENHAM, SN15 3AP on Exchange CHIPPENHAM
O/S 247 LONDON ROAD, STREET SIDE DSLAM CAB NAAGGO, LONDON RD, CHIPPENHAM, SN15 3AP on Exchange CHIPPENHAM is served by Cabinet 8

Cannot see the PCP Number on the cabinet, but speeds all point to there.

Paul

Edited by PaulKirby (Mon 09-Feb-15 17:29:19)

Thanks Paul, good find, I missed that one as I drove my streetview virtual car down London road myself earlier this morning. Looks like BTO would want to replace that whole sorry looking thing, Cab 8 s not covered by BDUK sadly for those connected to it and BTO has not enabled it for FTTC.

Yeah, well our old one looks older LOL:
LNILC:P24 (old) which is in the middle of being moved over to the new one to this one LNILC:P24 (new)

Paul