Where did the £60bn figure come from? What is the total number of premises to be connected?

If you look further up the thread, you'll see Andrew was speculating on what might happen if the government did have £30bn for a full scale 100% FTTP rollout (a not unreasonable figure) and even then it could easily take 10 yrs or so due to manpower resources. Further, he speculated if you could double that figure you might be able to attract a large number of European workers for a 3 year blitz effort. I was just turning that into the size of workforce it might mean. Perhaps 150,000. Then allow 600 days each over 3 years and that's 90 million man days, or about 3 man-days per premises on average.

So it's just trying to work out. even if there was no budget constraint, what such a mammoth effort might look like (not that it ever will of course).

They are (or are going to). I seem to recall it's something like 3 satellites.

Evening Michael

I take it you are on FTTH or FTTP; and how long have you had that?

As you state that the fibre is underground, how was this achieved?

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To try to answer your other questions, I generally assume that there is almost 1 fixed, traditional copper line per head of population, although I suspect that what-ever that Total Figure is/should be, about 25% to 35% are likely to be to non-domestic premises.

I have done a brief search for such a Total; but nothing jumps out.

This page seems to offer a clue-

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/review/top10.php

Table headed-
Top 10 UK ISPs By Subscriber Size


However, this is likely to include ADSL as it comes to approximately 24 million.

Back in January, BT OR reckoned that only about 15% of the lines in the Fibre "Coverage" areas, had been upgraded, mainly to FTTC.

More recently a later figure of 19% appeared; and both certainly tie in with the progress I have noted on "my" FTTC-

March 2014 Released for Service with 48 Filter Links fitted, out of a total back-plane for 288.

April 2015 an additional 48 Filter Links fitted, taking it to 96 present Maximum, out of 288 potential.

So just before that additional set was added, it looks as though the highest figure attributable of 48 of 288, amounts to 16.6 %, sitting nicely between the 13% and 19% OR figures.


I have not got absolute Line figures for "my" PCP; but by checking against various aspects, it appears to have approaching 300 lines.

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For FTTP and FTTH, assume that advantage is taken of the FTTC Fibre, leaving only about 300 "D-Side" lines to have Fibre added, to reach individual houses, premises etc.

Bearing in mind Andrew's comments on the fragility of fibre, and that it is very unlikely that any of those homes and premises have ducting suitable for blowing fibre through, it does suggest a massive task to convert "the whole country", particularly if that includes getting "D-Side" fibre to every flat in blocks of flats and similar.

It may be that running a fibre line over existing poles for several kilometres to a distant farm and such-like, could be a lot cheaper than to a house in the middle of a city.

He is I recall on a Gigaclear FTTP service.
They direct bury in the ground their fibre cables.

Edited by deleted (Mon 29-Jun-15 22:02:53)

I have had a Gigaclear FTTP connection for 2 months. The cable terminates in a pot on the boundary of my property, and is likely in a duct with other Gigaclear cables about 40cm below the surface of the lane. It takes a slightly strange route due to the desire to minimize the number of joints. Gigaclear refused to use a nearby BT duct.

Well Talk Talk are selling FTTP for £21.7 p/m which is about half what Gigaclear or Hyperoptic charge. What do you think it costs them to provide a connection?

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Well Talk Talk are selling FTTP for £21.7 p/m ...

Curious ... I just put my landline number (where FTTP has been available for just over 2 years) into the TalkTalk Fibre checker and got the result 'Fibre broadband isn't available in your area yet' although it did try to sell me TV, SIMs etc.

Isn't Talk Talk's FTTP offering part of the joint venture with Sky and City Fibre using their own infrastructure and fibre to the premises?

It is and CityFIbre are clear the residential is an incremental revenue opportunity, i.e. core business use from mobile, council and large business pay for most of the network, with basically what TalkTalk and Sky doing being the icing on the cake.

One very small corner of York, which seems to be just a Tesco store and maybe a road around it is like at present.